This SOMD headline : 2 year old dies on 4-wheeler

citysherry

I Need a Beer
elaine said:
Well then, what purpose does it serve to bring any common criminal up on charges? The damage is done. No amount of justice will ever make the deed go away.

Please, we all know that we're not discussing your run of the mill "common criminal" in this thread. :ohwell: We are, however, discussing a specific set of parents and tragic set of events that has caused great suffering for their family. I for one do believe that the death of their child will render a greater punishment on so many more levels than any criminal punishment ever could.
 

mAlice

professional daydreamer
citysherry said:
Please, we all know that we're not discussing your run of the mill "common criminal" in this thread. :ohwell: We are, however, discussing a specific set of parents and tragic set of events that has caused great suffering for their family. I for one do believe that the death of their child will render a greater punishment on so many more levels than any criminal punishment ever could.

Okay, allow me to rephrase. Why don't we just drop all involuntary manslaughter charges?

Involuntary manslaughter, sometimes called criminally negligent homicide, occurs where there is no intention to kill or cause serious injury but death is due to recklessness or criminal negligence.
 

citysherry

I Need a Beer
elaine said:
Okay, allow me to rephrase. Why don't we just drop all involuntary manslaughter charges?

Involuntary manslaughter, sometimes called criminally negligent homicide, occurs where there is no intention to kill or cause serious injury but death is due to recklessness or criminal negligence.

Don't be ridiculous, of course involuntary manslaughter shouldn’t be dropped all together. No criminal charges were filed by the police against the mother but it is ultimately up to the State Attorney’s Office to bring charges or not and I bet they don’t.
 

mAlice

professional daydreamer
citysherry said:
Don't be ridiculous, of course involuntary manslaughter shouldn’t be dropped all together. No criminal charges were filed by the police against the mother but it is ultimately up to the State Attorney’s Office to bring charges or not and I bet they don’t.
You're the one being ridiculous. This is a perfect example of involuntary manslaughter. What part of ages 6-12 did those people not understand? And I wouldn't bet one way or the other.

Furthermore, I'll give you one guess as to why companies have to put age restrictions on their products.
 
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CableChick said:
from what I understand the child was not operating this ATV. the child was a passenger sitting in front of the mother. when the mother slipped off the back, the child hit the button and went forward. the mother hit the kill switch and called for the child. startled, the child turned, turning the handles on the ATV causing it to tip over.


I found out that you are correct. The mother was on the ATV with the child, but got off (or fell off?) and hit the kill switch. The handlebars turned and well...injured him.
 
Speedy70 said:
I found out that you are correct. The mother was on the ATV with the child, but got off (or fell off?) and hit the kill switch. The handlebars turned and well...injured him.


I don't usually talk of things I know nothing about. :shrug: Too bad this is something I do know about.
 

candicane

New Member
I do not know this family, but my heart goes out to this family. This is not anyone’s business besides the families. Why is it that everyone feels it to be so important to put their two cents in someone else’s life? This was their son…not anyone else’s. Why can’t you people leave this family alone? Are you getting kicks from righting this stuff? What are you people feeding off of? This was their child, this is what they have to live with. I could only imagine what these parents are going through and I could only imagine what reading some of these post would do to these people. You guys post make me sick to my stomach. No one but them have to live with this. So please show some respect. If not for the parents…for the little boy. Let them rest.
 

Pete

Repete
candicane said:
I do not know this family, but my heart goes out to this family. This is not anyone’s business besides the families. Why is it that everyone feels it to be so important to put their two cents in someone else’s life? This was their son…not anyone else’s. Why can’t you people leave this family alone? Are you getting kicks from righting this stuff? What are you people feeding off of? This was their child, this is what they have to live with. I could only imagine what these parents are going through and I could only imagine what reading some of these post would do to these people. You guys post make me sick to my stomach. No one but them have to live with this. So please show some respect. If not for the parents…for the little boy. Let them rest.
Oh blow it out your ass. It is a public forum meant for the discussion of topics. That is what is wrong, everybody has become to gushy to call a spade a spade, and now people are running around unchecked being epically stupid because they do not fear public scoffing.

I am pretty sure the parents through their grief are ashamed, angry and regret their stupidity. That is not to say it is any less stupid just because they regret it.
 

candicane

New Member
I am showing respect. You should try it....It is what they have to live with NOT YOU.. so you blow it our your ASS PETE
 

Pete

Repete
candicane said:
I am showing respect. You should try it....It is what they have to live with NOT YOU.. so you blow it our your ASS PETE
Please, it's not like we are picketing their house with "YOU ARE STUPID" signs. People are free to discuss and debate, if someone stupid is the topic then too bad for them.
 
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gumbo

FIGHT CLUB !
Dear Candicane
If someone is doing something stupid in a car like speeding real fast, doing a burn out or driving while under the influence and they kill someone in the process of being stupid, they are charged with manslaughter.
If someone was playing around with a gun and it goes off and kills someone. They are charged with manslaughter.
If someone leaves a baby un attended in a car and the baby dies, they are charged with manslaughter.
These are all acts of stupidity.
How is this any different than letting a 2 year old play with a loaded pistol.
"Oh look at my little cowboy." :smack:

I don't care if it was their own child or not, stupid actions by adults that cause death or harm to others should be punished.

The only way no charges being filed can be justified, is if the parents where declared legally retarded by the State.

PS. If they had let your 2 year old ride this and it was your loss, you couldn't get enough justice to rectify your loss. Because it was their own child it's different?
Were talking about a child, a human life, not a material object that yours to do with what you please.
 
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Pandora

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I read this thread and I’m trying to understand what exactly happened. It sounds like mom had her son on her lap riding the ATV around when she fell off the back of it and the child held on but once the switch was hit, the child went over the front and was crushed?

The parents have already suffered a substantial loss, something they will never be able to go back and fix. The mother will have to live with her choice and the associated guilt for the rest of her life, directly and indirectly. But, my concern is this. If she thought it was ok for her own child to ride this ATV either on her lap or not, she still didn't follow the 6-12 years of age guidelines for this piece of equipment. She certainly wasn’t within that guideline herself and she had her hand(s) tied up holding a child. I’ve never been a fan of anyone even riding a lawn mower with a child in his or her lap. Some people can call this an accident but I think this was a tremendous lack of judgment. :ohwell: But should the punishment go beyond the life of her son?

What should the State’s Attorney’s position be on this case? Prosecute? Or not prosecute? :shrug: I think that is going to be a tough decision.
 

jillibeans

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It is convenient for all people reading the article to pass judgment on this child’s family, especially their parents. As with any other report you read in a newspaper or see on television, you don’t know the full story. For that matter, no one reading this article that is not a family member or friend has a right to know the full story. This is an extremely private matter that has been reported for all to see. I would think that any parent suffering with the loss of a child would not want any information regarding that be posted for the criticism of complete strangers. I do believe everyone is entitled to their own opinion; however, it is unnecessary for the majority of you to be so blatantly disgusting with your words. Considering the circumstances of this tragedy, I would think people would have more respect to keep their thoughts to themselves. I read someone classify this as a mistake. True, that may be a little light, but how else is it to be put? Like I said before, I believe everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but it is also true that there is a time and place for everything. Maybe instead of jumping the gun to pass your judgment online, you should think that this is hard enough to deal with for this child’s family and friends.

No one ever thinks that anything terrible will happen to them self or their children. That doesn’t make you careless or negligent; it makes you human. If, Heaven forbid, tragedy ever crosses your path and the circumstances lead it to be posted in the newspaper, I hope strangers reading about it have enough couth to understand that there is, as previously stated, a time and place for everything -- ergo, keep your opinions to yourself.

My husband and I have been friends with the child’s parents for many years; so long, in fact, we would consider them family. The fact that they are extremely devastated about their loss is of no business to anyone but themselves and their family. Who are they to prove their love or devotion to their son to you? These people were more deserving to be parents to this little boy than most people I see roaming around the area. I am a parent and I would no more think twice about leaving my daughter in their care than I would buying a loaf of bread at the grocery store. If anyone wants to “pity” my child because of this, frankly, I could not care less about your opinion. I am proud to be associated with this family and am not ashamed to hide my identity behind the computer screen.

Jennifer Bowling
 
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BS Gal

Voted Nicest in 08
I have been there. My sister drowned in a pool. My mom could not get her out of the pool. Mom was sick on the couch, pool guys left the gate open, two year old died. Should my mom be blamed? Maybe. She's 75 and still carries the guilt from 45 years ago. She'll never get over it. Sorry she was sick, yes? Pool guys f'd up, yes. If she wasn't sick, my sister wouldn't have drowned. This parent is going through guilt we will never fathom. Cut her a break.
 

MMDad

Lem Putt
Pandora said:
What should the State’s Attorney’s position be on this case? Prosecute? Or not prosecute? :shrug: I think that is going to be a tough decision.
If our goal is to punish, they should be prosecuted. If our goal is to rehabilitate, how could prosecution help?

IMO, CPS needs to evaluate any other children before the SA does anything. Then the SA should decide, based upon the facts, not the news stories or the rumors we are hearing.
 

BS Gal

Voted Nicest in 08
MMDad said:
If our goal is to punish, they should be prosecuted. If our goal is to rehabilitate, how could prosecution help?

IMO, CPS needs to evaluate any other children before the SA does anything. Then the SA should decide, based upon the facts, not the news stories or the rumors we are hearing.
That was their only child.
 

MMDad

Lem Putt
BS Gal said:
That was their only child.
:ohwell: I had assumed this was a toy they bought for an older kid, and the little one was riding it. It never crossed my mind that they would have bought a 142 lb. machine for a two year old.

I don't know what to think now.
 

candicane

New Member
The parents will not be charged with anything, because the state of Maryland does not have a law that states it is illegal for anyone under the age limit to ride a atv on private property. The only state at this time where it is illegal is N.C. So I hope that can close the arguments on whether or not these parents should be charged with anything. I have never once said that I agree by any means with a two year old driving a atv alone. I just don't understand why this is everyone else’s problem. I understand that this is a place to make comments and speak freely and if you feel that these people are bad parents and they should be punished, then that is you opinion and opinion are like #######s...everybody has one. I just think that some of the things that people are say are so hurtful. So all of you guys are saying that these parent bought this three year old....well almost three.. because they wanted their son to die? I just can't see it that way. I know this is a human being and not some object or toy, but this was not bought with the intent to kill.
 
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