Three Notch Road in the area of the Lone Star Restaurant

[mingiz]

So does it have neck damage?

After the bystanders took the baby and car seat out of the car. The EMTs took the baby out of the car seat then physically ran with the baby uncovered,just the clothes it had on, then stooped to talk to somebody then put the baby in the ambulance. Now if they were worried about neck injuries wouldn't it been better to leave the baby secured in the car seat? I felt for the baby. It was cold out there and the EMT's never coverd the baby.

 

[Pasofever]

The baby was very small when she was pulled it looked like she was still facing backwards in the car seat like you do very little ones she either had a blanket around her or the neck thingy you also put the little ones in...she was very small...when they took her out she went toward the traffic light not the sidewalk (it is foggy to me because I am still having problems dealing with this..)mabye to a cop car...but then when the ambulance came it was parked behind the green car..(baby was somewhere ahead of the green car) that is when the parametic took the baby OUT OF THE SEAT and was wondering confused with her in the streets toward the ambulance...Mingiz and I and others were yelling cover that baby up..the ONLY person that carried that baby out of the car seat that I saw was a "trained individual" and she looked as confused as we were..

Mingiz is this correct??

 

[Pasofever]

Wow Mingiz We Posted At The Same Time.

 

[Dondi]

The VW was the white car, the woman and baby were in the green car. So are you saying that the woman in the GREEN car is the one that is brain dead or the woman in the WHITE VW is?

My bad. I'm talking about the woman in the totaled green car that had the baby in the back. I thought the EMT I talked to mentioned the green car as being a Passat, but how can one tell anyway. Sorry about the mix.

 

[itsbob]

Thank you. This is what I'm trying to say. I'm getting the impression that people think I'm saying that the good samaritans who pulled this baby out should be locked up. But I've already posted that I don't know exactly what the right actions for this accident were, BECAUSE I WASN'T THERE. What I'm saying is that in most cases, don't move the victim unless you absolutely have to. This is common knowledge, and I don't know why I taking so much flak for saying it.

Cowgirl, I understand your viewpoint. I have a daughter, and to hear any baby cry for help tears me up inside. But which one is worse:

1. Baby cries for a few minutes, then paramedics rescue her properly.

2. Baby is paralyzed for life because she was moved improperly.

Which one do you pick?

What I got from the above posts, there was leaking fuel.. whether a fire starts sometimes or rarely, it CAN happen, and after the fire started would be too late to get the baby out..

KUDO's to those that stepped up and did the right thing, if I knew who you were I'd buy you a beer or ten..

I'd even let you win the Rock Paper Scissors for the last one.

 

[ylexot]

My bad. I'm talking about the woman in the totaled green car that had the baby in the back. I thought the EMT I talked to mentioned the green car as being a Passat, but how can one tell anyway. Sorry about the mix.

The green car looked like a Cadillac Catera (sp?) to me. :shrug:

 

[bohman]

So does it have neck damage?

How would I know? I never said that she did. I just said that some well-intentioned people may have put her at risk for neck damage.

Can I have some of your popcorn? I need a snack.

 

[ylexot]

I just said that some well-intentioned people may have put her at risk for neck damage.

True, but there was also the risk involved in leaving the baby there. The people there acted the way they thought best given the situation. It worked out. Case closed.

 

[nomoney]

How would I know? I never said that she did. I just said that some well-intentioned people may have put her at risk for neck damage.

Can I have some of your popcorn? I need a snack.

well by saying that what I said was dumb because I didn't know if the baby had neck damage or not...could not one say the same to all of your babble in this thread as well?

 

[flomaster]

True, but there was also the risk involved in leaving the baby there. The people there acted the way they thought best given the situation. It worked out. Case closed.

Don't think Bohman was putting it out there the way you are taking it. I am sure and I think even Bohman thinks they did what was in the best interest of the child at the time. He was just trying like most of us are is to educate people enough to make them think twice down the road. Everyone is getting so pissy about this.

 

[desertrat]

True, but there was also the risk involved in leaving the baby there. The people there acted the way they thought best given the situation. It worked out. Case closed.

Right! Is it ever?

 

[Cowgirl]

Cowgirl, I understand your viewpoint. I have a daughter, and to hear any baby cry for help tears me up inside. But which one is worse:

1. Baby cries for a few minutes, then paramedics rescue her properly.

2. Baby is paralyzed for life because she was moved improperly.

Which one do you pick?

I can understand where you're coming from too. I can see how it's wrong to move a victim unless there's imminent danger, but this child was in her carseat. I don't see how there is a difference in the child being in her carseat in the car vs. out on the sidewalk. If they had removed the child from the carseat, I can see how that wouldn't be the best. The child was still restrained in her seat (by the straps) when they removed her. We all know kids can still flail around in their seats...so there is no difference if the kid was in the car or not. If I was the mother, I'd have wanted my baby removed from the car (in her carseat). :shrug: We obviously have differing views, and we're only going in circles.

 

[Pandora]

See, these are the issues that bothered me when my girlfriend and I removed a man from a vehicle that hit a tree. I was terrified that moving him could cause additional injury but the car was on fire.

When the fire department got there, one of the fire fighters made a comment that the fire would have gone out because it was fuel . How would we have known?

I understood that the green vehicle did have flames, which could have been from fuel, but how would the people have known it would just go out?

I'm sorry, I wouldn't want to live with the fact that I could have reached in, grabbed that baby and potentially saved it because I THOUGHT the fire would go out. If you are going to make a mistake, make it on the side of caution and caution would say that the flames could have caught the car on fire. What if it would have caught that baby stroller on fire? Then the inside of the vehicle?

 

[mainman]

I wonder how bad you would all be attacking the bystanders had they stood around and did nothing and something did happen to the baby... Yall need to shut the #### up about it, it's over and done..

 

[Pasofever]

When I was in a bad accident in 1991 coming home from a cat show..I was hit by a truck and spun around and ended up down a revene in the woods...I was scrambling to get out..if by standers did not help me out I would have gone through the window. A couple let me lay in their back seat of their van until the ambulance got there..I remember I was worried about getting blood on their seat and I got a bag to lay my head on..this couple then took my two cats to their house (I could NOT take them in the ambulance) and then the next day I was able to go get my cats from them..I dont remember their name but I will NEVER forget what they did for me.

 

[flomaster]

This thread needs to be done. Class dismissed!!!!

 

[aps45819]

I was scrambling to get out..if by standers did not help me out I would have gone through the window.

:applesNoranges:
Big difference between HELPING someone out and removing them

 

[bohman]

Everyone is getting so pissy about this.

But that's the SOMD way! It's what we do here.

This thread needs to be done. Class dismissed!!!!

You're right, I spoke my mind. Nothing else in there now!

 

[teverheart2002]

My mom got in a back wreck a few years back - a car pulled out in front of her when she was going 50 miles per hour. Hospital said that she was fine, lucky as hell and sent her on her way. A week later she was still in pain, finally got them to do an x-ray and found out that she had broken her collarbone in the wreck. I realize that they don't really do anything for broken collarbones but limit activity, but the hospital gave her a clean bill of health and so she went about her business and you guys with horses know how that is, lugging grain, water buckets, etc...

So, I guess I am saying that no one is perfect, trained or not trained. You rely on instinct at the time it occurs. No one person can say that "I would never help a person in a wreck" until they are in front of the wreck and can assess the situation and decide at that moment.

to the families involved.

 

[chernmax]

This thread needs to be done. Class dismissed!!!!

Agree...