To Defeat Trump, Virginia Dems Give State’s Electoral Votes Away. Ted Cruz Gives Them A Constitutional Lesson.

[GURPS]

Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX) who is one of the great constitutional scholars of the Senate, fired back at the high-handed tactics of the Virginia Democrats and their blithe rejection of the ideals for which the American Founders stood, tweeting, “VA House votes to give all of Virginia’s votes to California & New York. Because that’s definitely in the interest of Virginians. Jefferson & Madison would be appalled.”

The bill passed in the Virginia House 51-46 and is now headed for the Virginia Senate, where Democrats also hold a majority, and then on to Democratic Governor Ralph Northam. As The Hill reported, “Virginia would subsequently be entered into the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact.”

The bill’s summary asserts, “Under the compact, Virginia agrees to award its electoral votes to the presidential ticket that receives the most popular votes in all 50 states and the District of Columbia. The compact goes into effect when states cumulatively possessing a majority of the electoral votes have joined the compact … A state may withdraw from the compact; however, a withdrawal occurring within six months of the end of a President’s term shall not become effective until a President or Vice President has qualified to serve the next term.”

https://www.dailywire.com/news/to-d...y-ted-cruz-gives-them-a-constitutional-lesson

 

[nutz]

https://www.dailywire.com/news/to-d...y-ted-cruz-gives-them-a-constitutional-lesson

So Democrats in Va. wont even need to go to the polls. No voice of the people involved Can the people create electoral free zones?

Notice the dems aren’t giving away their right to increase taxes on their constituents https://wtop.com/dc-transit/2020/02...nges-lower-gas-tax-hike-keep-car-inspections/

 

[SamSpade]

Really, all it will take is for TRUMP to win the "popular" vote, and many states will pull from the compact, because the whole thing doesn't have a damned thing to do with "fairness" but with Democrats winning and overcoming a perceived disadvantage due to the Electoral College.

Here's the thing - if popular vote is the determining factor in an election - then a candidate such as Trump will campaign differently. When you can see crowds in New Jersey - a very blue state - waiting outside at a Trump rally, there's no reason to believe he can't do the same in other blue states like California, Washington, Illinois, New York and Massachusetts. He won't WIN them - but due to this compact, he doesn't need to. All he has to do is get Republicans to vote in an election that, hitherto, their vote didn't count.

I can hear the hue and cry of Dems saying, well it works the other way, too, you know. Not so much. Because Dems are largely concentrated in heavily urban, highly populated states. It's cost ineffective. It's like mining for aluminum (the world's most abundant metal and found nearly everywhere) on every piece of soil rather than where the ore, bauxite, is concentrated. There are more Republican voters in and around Los Angeles than there are Democrats in a dozen red states. I know from personal experience - I have two cousins who live in blue states who have registered - and successfully run for office as Democrats with conservative ideas - because they can't get elected as Republicans.

This probably will not go AS well for Dems as they guess. If they want to win national elections, find answers to national problems that appeal to the nation, and not just their own party.

 

[Hijinx]

Is this any different to what Democrats have done in Maryland to my vote?

Anyone who votes for a Democrat is in favor of giving democrats a dictatorship.

 

[transporter]

Interesting commentary...so let's parse this out

"SamSpade, post: 6113343, member: 1825"
Really, all it will take is for TRUMP to win the "popular" vote, and many states will pull from the compact, because the whole thing doesn't have a damned thing to do with "fairness" but with Democrats winning and overcoming a perceived disadvantage due to the Electoral College.

Well duh...if Trump wins the popular vote nationally, he would win the delegates of these states. That's kinda the whole damn point. Win the popular vote, win the Presidency.

Your second point is possible. Of course, no one will know this until it happens. So this is just supposition, innuendo and fantasy or however our dear comrade GURPS answers most every post.

Here's the thing - if popular vote is the determining factor in an election - then a candidate such as Trump will campaign differently. When you can see crowds in New Jersey - a very blue state - waiting outside at a Trump rally, there's no reason to believe he can't do the same in other blue states like California, Washington, Illinois, New York and Massachusetts. He won't WIN them - but due to this compact, he doesn't need to. All he has to do is get Republicans to vote in an election that, hitherto, their vote didn't count.

Again...Duh. You seem to have an extreme talent for pointing out the obvious.

But here is the point you miss, IF all Trump has to do is rally Repubs in Democratic states, then all you morons should be in support of this. Because, as you point out, every vote would, under this system, matter more than it does now. (Odd how you can point out the obvious, but miss the stunningly obvious). This bill actually empowers the minority party members in each and every state.

I can hear the hue and cry of Dems saying, well it works the other way, too, you know. Not so much. Because Dems are largely concentrated in heavily urban, highly populated states. It's cost ineffective. It's like mining for aluminum (the world's most abundant metal and found nearly everywhere) on every piece of soil rather than where the ore, bauxite, is concentrated. There are more Republican voters in and around Los Angeles than there are Democrats in a dozen red states. I know from personal experience - I have two cousins who live in blue states who have registered - and successfully run for office as Democrats with conservative ideas - because they can't get elected as Republicans.

Here you miss the obvious. There are more registered Ds in the US than Rs. The challenge for the the nominees of either party will be to "get out the vote" everywhere...not just in a few crucial districts in a few crucial states. A candidate couldn't, for example win the Presidency because s/he won 4 specific states by less than 1% and received all the electoral college votes of those 4 states.

The other point you miss....there is a rather broad swath of Rs who would prefer a more Presidential President. You all jump for joy when people leave the D party...but completely ignore all the Rs who have abandoned the R party solely because of Donald Trump.

This probably will not go AS well for Dems as they guess. If they want to win national elections, find answers to national problems that appeal to the nation, and not just their own party.

There will be unintended consequences? Wow...how stunningly obvious.

What did you miss? The national elections held in 2018....of course.

Conclusion: based on everything you said...you are for this amendment. In your opinion, Trump has a better chance of winning and this has a high likelihood of blowing up in D faces.

What did you simply ignore? Trump presents no answers to national problems. He only markets to his cult like base. Odd that you all still don't understand that....odd that you still can't comprehend that the majority of Americans disapprove of Donald Trump.

 

[transporter]

Is this any different to what Democrats have done in Maryland to my vote?

Anyone who votes for a Democrat is in favor of giving democrats a dictatorship.

You are a moron...move to some red state where R's are the "dictators."

 

[PsyOps]

You are a moron...move to some red state where R's are the "dictators."

This is an admission that your party are dictators. Woke are you?

 

[PsyOps]

No surprise democrats subvert the will of the people; to ignore every vote be counted. Democrat consistently show how corrupt they are. They're counting the same result as 2016 - Trump lost the popular vote but won the EC. I with you Sam, I think Trump wins the popular vote anyway, and Virginia made themselves to look like fools.

But hey, you get the government you deserve.

 

[vraiblonde]

Here's the thing - if popular vote is the determining factor in an election - then a candidate such as Trump will campaign differently. When you can see crowds in New Jersey - a very blue state - waiting outside at a Trump rally, there's no reason to believe he can't do the same in other blue states like California, Washington, Illinois, New York and Massachusetts. He won't WIN them - but due to this compact, he doesn't need to. All he has to do is get Republicans to vote in an election that, hitherto, their vote didn't count.

It makes you wonder if Democrats really are stupid. I've always thought the masters were smart and their voters were stupid, but now it appears that the masters are pretty freaking dumb. There is absolutely no upside for the Democrats in this scheme.

I vote in Maryland, which traditionally goes to whoever has the D after their name. My vote hasn't counted since I moved to Maryland. But now Maryland Republicans and independents have the chance to influence the electorals in Virginia and other states that are adopting this nonsense, so hell yeah we're going to vote because NOW our vote will count.

Perhaps Virginia lawmakers really want to hand their electoral votes to Trump? Because that's what will happen.

 

[itsbob]

Interesting commentary...so let's parse this out



Well duh...if Trump wins the popular vote nationally, he would win the delegates of these states. That's kinda the whole damn point. Win the popular vote, win the Presidency.

Your second point is possible. Of course, no one will know this until it happens. So this is just supposition, innuendo and fantasy or however our dear comrade GURPS answers most every post.


Again...Duh. You seem to have an extreme talent for pointing out the obvious.

But here is the point you miss, IF all Trump has to do is rally Repubs in Democratic states, then all you morons should be in support of this. Because, as you point out, every vote would, under this system, matter more than it does now. (Odd how you can point out the obvious, but miss the stunningly obvious). This bill actually empowers the minority party members in each and every state.



Here you miss the obvious. There are more registered Ds in the US than Rs. The challenge for the the nominees of either party will be to "get out the vote" everywhere...not just in a few crucial districts in a few crucial states. A candidate couldn't, for example win the Presidency because s/he won 4 specific states by less than 1% and received all the electoral college votes of those 4 states.

The other point you miss....there is a rather broad swath of Rs who would prefer a more Presidential President. You all jump for joy when people leave the D party...but completely ignore all the Rs who have abandoned the R party solely because of Donald Trump.



There will be unintended consequences? Wow...how stunningly obvious.

What did you miss? The national elections held in 2018....of course.

Conclusion: based on everything you said...you are for this amendment. In your opinion, Trump has a better chance of winning and this has a high likelihood of blowing up in D faces.

What did you simply ignore? Trump presents no answers to national problems. He only markets to his cult like base. Odd that you all still don't understand that....odd that you still can't comprehend that the majority of Americans disapprove of Donald Trump.

Only a true idiot (obviously) would support a popular vote over an electoral vote.

I don't claim electoral vote is the most fair way to do it but it is exponentially more fair than having CA Decide who is going to be President every 4 years.

 

[Rommey]

Well, it is up to the individual states to determine their electors, so there is nothing technically wrong with this type of plan. The problem I see is when the winner of the national vote isn't the winner of the state's "preferred" candidate. I would like to see after the 2020 election if Trump wins the national vote by a large margin, but loses Virginia by a large margin, just exactly how in love with this plan they would be.

 

[Rommey]

Just for consideration (notice they are all traditional Democratic voting states):
Jurisdictions enacting law to join the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact

Percentage of the 270 EVs needed	72.6%
Total	196
No.	Jurisdiction	Date adopted	Method of adoption	Current Electoral votes (EV)
1	Maryland	Apr 10, 2007	Signed by Gov. Martin O'Malley[91]	10
2	New Jersey	Jan 13, 2008	Signed by Gov. Jon Corzine[95]	14
3	Illinois	Apr 7, 2008	Signed by Gov. Rod Blagojevich[87]	20
4	Hawaii	May 1, 2008	Legislature overrode veto of Gov. Linda Lingle[96]	4
5	Washington	Apr 28, 2009	Signed by Gov. Christine Gregoire[97]	12
6	Massachusetts	Aug 4, 2010	Signed by Gov. Deval Patrick[98]	11
7	D.C.	Dec 7, 2010	Signed by Mayor Adrian Fenty[99][note 2]	3
8	Vermont	Apr 22, 2011	Signed by Gov. Peter Shumlin[100]	3
9	California	Aug 8, 2011	Signed by Gov. Jerry Brown[101]	55
10	Rhode Island	Jul 12, 2013	Signed by Gov. Lincoln Chafee[102]	4
11	New York	Apr 15, 2014	Signed by Gov. Andrew Cuomo[103]	29
12	Connecticut	May 24, 2018	Signed by Gov. Dannel Malloy[104]	7
13	Colorado	Mar 15, 2019	Signed by Gov. Jared Polis[105]	9
14	Delaware	Mar 28, 2019	Signed by Gov. John Carney[106]	3
15	New Mexico	Apr 3, 2019	Signed by Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham[107]	5
16	Oregon	Jun 12, 2019	Signed by Gov. Kate Brown[108]	7

 

[22AcaciaAve]

This initiative has been around for quite some time. It was originally drafted in 2006. It is an attempt to circumvent the constitution without actually going through the amendment process to eliminate the electoral college. It is a knee-jerk reaction by butt-hurt democrats to losing 2 of the last 5 elections in the electoral college while winning the popular vote. It is unlikely it will take effect any time soon. In order to reach the threshold of states ratifying it that have at least 270 electoral votes, it will need either some traditionally republican voting states to join in, or a number of swing states to join in. It is unlikely either will happen. There is no benefit for republican leaning states to join it and swing states aren't likely to give up their presidential campaign influence by signing.

Even if they get enough states to join, there will no doubt be legal challenges that will end up in front of the supreme court. Whether it would stand or be struck down as unconstitutional is unknown. But with a more conservative supreme court there is a very good chance they would find it violates some part of the constitution and nullify it. But given that the landscape has not changed that much in the last 4 years, there is every possibility that Trump might win again with the same formula and that would only piss democrats off more and make them more determined to try to get this thing done to circumvent the constitution.