Transporter

This_person

Well-Known Member
Since you seem incapable of responding in the threads YOU start, maybe you'll respond this time (I have serious doubts):
US budget deficit FY 2016: $585B

US budget deficit FY 2017: $665B

US budget deficit FY 2018: $779B

https://www.fiscal.treasury.gov/fsreports/rpt/mthTreasStmt/backissues.htm

So under the combined "leadership" of the "fiscal conservatives" in the House and Senate with that inept, incompetent and unfit boob that sits in the WH, the federal budget deficit has risen 33% in just 2 years in a growing economy!!!

Now that's some kind of fiscal leadership for ya!!

MAGA!! MAGA!!!
So, what spending would YOU recommend cutting to fix the deficits? I've asked you this a gazillion times - why are you unable or unwilling to give an answer?​
 

transporter

Active Member
Since you seem incapable of responding in the threads YOU start, maybe you'll respond this time (I have serious doubts):

So, what spending would YOU recommend cutting to fix the deficits? I've asked you this a gazillion times - why are you unable or unwilling to give an answer?​
Your question answers itself...because you and the rest of the crew on here aren't very bright. You are so wrapped up in your pathetic and, generally ignorant, political viewpoints that you have nothing of value to offer. Facts do not matter to you in the least....it is why you voted for Trump and not an actual, qualified Republican.

The fact that you have to ask what is needed to fix our budgetary issues is just a wonderful example of that ignorance!

The solutions to the problems are well known (and have been for 30-40 years). Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid must be reformed. They are the largest portion of our budget. Next, we need to reduce military spending. We spend more than the next 7, 8, 10 (?) countries combined. We spend 3 times as much as the next largest spender (China). (BTW: If Trump's goal is to remove the US from the world stage by tearing up every treaty and trade deal, WTF do we need a $700B annual defense budget?)

Those 4 items account for roughly 70% of the budget. Taken together just about everything else is a rounding error.

Next. we need to increase revenue. Spending cuts won't solve the problem--not matter what the morons at Dailywire, Fox News, dailywire, or comrade GURPS tell you.

In about 10 months this will be the longest economic expansion in modern US history. The actions of the House, Senate, and our incompetent President to lower taxes and raise spending NOW is damn near criminal. (BTW...reading the asinine comments from people like Hijinx and Gilligan who claim to hate Keynes and Krugman THEN proclaim overwhelming joy at the Republican tax cuts and spending increases has been one of the most comically enjoyable portions of my day over the past 10 months!)

Did you really need to have this rudimentary information explained to you??

Oh and just to finish off properly: Trump IS inept, IS incompetent and IS unfit.
 

Gilligan

#*! boat!
PREMO Member
The solutions to the problems are well known (and have been for 30-40 years). Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid must be reformed. They are the largest portion of our budget. Next, we need to reduce military spending. We spend more than the next 7, 8, 10 (?) countries combined. We spend 3 times as much as the next largest spender (China). (BTW: If Trump's goal is to remove the US from the world stage by tearing up every treaty and trade deal, WTF do we need a $700B annual defense budget?)

Those 4 items account for roughly 70% of the budget.
Yes, sweetie...but what percentage of the budget do just Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid take? Add other welfare spending to that percentage while you are at it. You always fail when you have to ad lib off script.
 

Yooper

Socket 1, Intel 80486
PREMO Member
Your question answers itself...because you and the rest of the crew on here aren't very bright. You are so wrapped up in your pathetic and, generally ignorant, political viewpoints that you have nothing of value to offer. Facts do not matter to you in the least....it is why you voted for Trump and not an actual, qualified Republican.

The fact that you have to ask what is needed to fix our budgetary issues is just a wonderful example of that ignorance!

The solutions to the problems are well known (and have been for 30-40 years). Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid must be reformed. They are the largest portion of our budget. Next, we need to reduce military spending. We spend more than the next 7, 8, 10 (?) countries combined. We spend 3 times as much as the next largest spender (China). (BTW: If Trump's goal is to remove the US from the world stage by tearing up every treaty and trade deal, WTF do we need a $700B annual defense budget?)

Those 4 items account for roughly 70% of the budget. Taken together just about everything else is a rounding error.

Next. we need to increase revenue. Spending cuts won't solve the problem--not matter what the morons at Dailywire, Fox News, dailywire, or comrade GURPS tell you.

In about 10 months this will be the longest economic expansion in modern US history. The actions of the House, Senate, and our incompetent President to lower taxes and raise spending NOW is damn near criminal. (BTW...reading the asinine comments from people like Hijinx and Gilligan who claim to hate Keynes and Krugman THEN proclaim overwhelming joy at the Republican tax cuts and spending increases has been one of the most comically enjoyable portions of my day over the past 10 months!)

Did you really need to have this rudimentary information explained to you??

Oh and just to finish off properly: Trump IS inept, IS incompetent and IS unfit.
Not really much of an answer. Just condescending, arrogant ranting.

So let's just cut to the chase: until you fix your inter-personal communications issues (failed Dale Carnegie I'm guessing) you, madam, will remain an ass. A rude, disrespectful, arrogant, poser ass. As a result, other than for entertainment's sake, you will remain someone no one will take seriously or take up for.

--- End of line (MCP)
 

Hijinx

Well-Known Member
Not really much of an answer. Just condescending, arrogant ranting.

So let's just cut to the chase: until you fix your inter-personal communications issues (failed Dale Carnegie I'm guessing) you, madam, will remain an ass. A rude, disrespectful, arrogant, poser ass. As a result, other than for entertainment's sake, you will remain someone no one will take seriously or take up for.

--- End of line (MCP)
Why do I or anyone else ever click on anything Transporter will respond to or start.
It's always the same old sh1t
She calls people stupid because they don't agree with her --or him or whatever the fug it is.
Then she calls trump inept and then she rants about some BS or ohter.

A total waste of bandwidth.
 

BOP

Well-Known Member
Your question answers itself...because you and the rest of the crew on here aren't very bright. You are so wrapped up in your pathetic and, generally ignorant, political viewpoints that you have nothing of value to offer. Facts do not matter to you in the least....it is why you voted for Trump and not an actual, qualified Republican.

The fact that you have to ask what is needed to fix our budgetary issues is just a wonderful example of that ignorance!

The solutions to the problems are well known (and have been for 30-40 years). Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid must be reformed. They are the largest portion of our budget. Next, we need to reduce military spending. We spend more than the next 7, 8, 10 (?) countries combined. We spend 3 times as much as the next largest spender (China). (BTW: If Trump's goal is to remove the US from the world stage by tearing up every treaty and trade deal, WTF do we need a $700B annual defense budget?)

Those 4 items account for roughly 70% of the budget. Taken together just about everything else is a rounding error.

Next. we need to increase revenue. Spending cuts won't solve the problem--not matter what the morons at Dailywire, Fox News, dailywire, or comrade GURPS tell you.

In about 10 months this will be the longest economic expansion in modern US history. The actions of the House, Senate, and our incompetent President to lower taxes and raise spending NOW is damn near criminal. (BTW...reading the asinine comments from people like Hijinx and Gilligan who claim to hate Keynes and Krugman THEN proclaim overwhelming joy at the Republican tax cuts and spending increases has been one of the most comically enjoyable portions of my day over the past 10 months!)

Did you really need to have this rudimentary information explained to you??

Oh and just to finish off properly: Trump IS inept, IS incompetent and IS unfit.

shitlikethisiswhyIwon.jpg
 

BOP

Well-Known Member
Yes, sweetie...but what percentage of the budget do just Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid take? Add other welfare spending to that percentage while you are at it. You always fail when you have to ad lib off script.
Maybe we can crowd fund a teleprompter for her. How do we make it so she can read it while she's giving monicas to Oh-bow-wow?
 

Toxick

Splat
Did you really need to have this rudimentary information explained to you??


Wow.

The arrogance, the sheer unmitigated hubris, that you constantly display is absolutely ####ing staggering. If you address people like this in real life, I can't imagine that you have any teeth left in your face.


You know - because of all the punching it would receive.





I do find it somewhat ironic and amusing that, although your apparent self-appraisal places you much higher on the intelligence scale of literally every person in here (including business owners, engineers, scientists, etc.), you demonstrate not only your complete lack of etiquette, social skills, or grace beyond that of your average troglodyte, but also your lack of reading comprehension. To wit: the OP asked you "what spending would YOU recommend cutting to fix the deficits?"


He didn't ask, "What do we do?" or "how is it done?" He asked "what would you do?" Implying that he'd like to engage with you on a level beyond that of your typical "YOU STUPID, ME SMART!" routine. Although I can't imagine why. I presume that the difficulty of prying a civil word out of your mouth (or fingers, as the case my be) is akin to that of giving Bella Abzug a hickey on the tip of her nose.





I anxiously await your sunshine inducing reply.
 

littlelady

God bless the USA
Wow.

The arrogance, the sheer unmitigated hubris, that you constantly display is absolutely ####ing staggering. If you address people like this in real life, I can't imagine that you have any teeth left in your face.


You know - because of all the punching it would receive.





I do find it somewhat ironic and amusing that, although your apparent self-appraisal places you much higher on the intelligence scale of literally every person in here (including business owners, engineers, scientists, etc.), you demonstrate not only your complete lack of etiquette, social skills, or grace beyond that of your average troglodyte, but also your lack of reading comprehension. To wit: the OP asked you "what spending would YOU recommend cutting to fix the deficits?"


He didn't ask, "What do we do?" or "how is it done?" He asked "what would you do?" Implying that he'd like to engage with you on a level beyond that of your typical "YOU STUPID, ME SMART!" routine. Although I can't imagine why. I presume that the difficulty of prying a civil word out of your mouth (or fingers, as the case my be) is akin to that of giving Bella Abzug a hickey on the tip of her nose. I anxiously await your sunshine inducing reply.
I love your posts. The splodey head communists have nothing; except scare tactics. It doesn’t seem to be working. Stop scrolling down. You are using too much white space. You will be accused of being a white supremisist. :lol:
 
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This_person

Well-Known Member
The solutions to the problems are well known (and have been for 30-40 years). Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid must be reformed. They are the largest portion of our budget. Next, we need to reduce military spending.

Those 4 items account for roughly 70% of the budget. Taken together just about everything else is a rounding error.
So, paring down to the few words you used to answer the question, now let's put some meat on those bones.
1. What does Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid reform look like to you?
2. Given that national defense is actually something in the constitution that is a requirement of the federal government to perform (and, the vast majority of the federal spending is NOT in accordance with the constitution), what should our defense budget be? What programs within the defense department would you cut?
3. I understand your point about rounding error levels of spending, but those add up. Is there anything else you would cut?

Next. we need to increase revenue. Spending cuts won't solve the problem
Why not? Why do we need to take more, when there was no such thing as federal income taxes until the 20th century when we fought wars and generally conducted all of the necessary business of government without them for far more than a century?

Did you really need to have this rudimentary information explained to you??
No, not at all. In fact, I generally disagree with the idea of raising governmental revenue (it takes far too much already), and the only "reform" I see to Soc Sec, Medicare and Medicaid is to slowly and carefully take people off of those programs and shut them down.

But, this is what's called a "conversation"; that's where two or more people express ideas to one another. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe you're wrong - the way to open your mind to new ideas is to converse with people. You really should try it.

So, please, continue with answering the above questions - sharing your thoughts and ideas.
 

This_person

Well-Known Member
Although I can't imagine why.
To be fair, I never expected ANY answer from Trans because I've asked Trans the same question literally tens of times before, and never received anything close to an answer. I did hope to spur other people to offer recommendations, and generally converse on the subject with people who CAN hold down a conversation, modify their views based on new information, or offer up things I never thought about before to inform my views better.

That Trans answered is the shocker, but the answer was not. Trans offered up vague and meaningless platitudes about which I asked for clarification, but the odds of receiving that clarification are not as good as Trans answering the question in the first place (which, as I mentioned, was pretty small).

I generally steer clear of Transporter's threads for the very reason that Trans does not engage in conversation; I do visit them when I see they've gone on for a while because that means others are having a potentially good conversation in them.

Trans actually points out (in very poor fashion, and with explicitly inaccurate analysis) some worthwhile things to consider. In the great Max Ehrman poem Desiderata there is a stanza:
Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even to the dull and the ignorant; they too have their story.​

I try to live most of Desiderata because I find it a meaningful way to look at things. Trans is a dull and ignorant person, stuck in an ideological thought warp that keeps Trans from enjoying life (clearly), but like the broken clock Trans is not always wrong in every way. And, as I say, the discussions others have around Transporter's Tourette-like ramblings are often interesting.

Bella Abzug
Perfect example. Never heard of her before your post - looked her up. Interesting reference, and now I have a superficial level of knowledge about her for consideration later. :yay:





I anxiously await your sunshine inducing reply.[/QUOTE]
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
Your question answers itself...because you and the rest of the crew on here aren't very bright. You are so wrapped up in your pathetic and, generally ignorant, political viewpoints that you have nothing of value to offer. Facts do not matter to you in the least....it is why you voted for Trump and not an actual, qualified Republican.

The fact that you have to ask what is needed to fix our budgetary issues is just a wonderful example of that ignorance!
Well so much for fostering an intelligent conversation .....

Anyone or Anything that does not conform to YOUR World View is Either Ignorant, Uneducated or Selfish .....

The solutions to the problems are well known (and have been for 30-40 years). Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid must be reformed. They are the largest portion of our budget.
yeah the 3rd rail of politics ... no congress critter is going to vote to End Baseline Budgeting ... your socialist buddies want the Gov to pay for more Free Stuff


Next, we need to reduce military spending. We spend more than the next 7, 8, 10 (?) countries combined. We spend 3 times as much as the next largest spender (China). (BTW: If Trump's goal is to remove the US from the world stage by tearing up every treaty and trade deal, WTF do we need a $700B annual defense budget?)

Those 4 items account for roughly 70% of the budget. Taken together just about everything else is a rounding error.
Yeah So What :shrug: how do you expect to be kept safe from Russian that terrorize you so much, with a weakened Military

the Military Budget is a rounding error on what is spent on Entitlements ...

Next. we need to increase revenue. Spending cuts won't solve the problem
So You Want to Raise Taxes .... yeah good luck with that ... since the Trump Tax Cuts MONEY is Flowing In

-- not matter what the morons at Dailywire, Fox News, dailywire, or comrade GURPS tell you.
:yawn:

In about 10 months this will be the longest economic expansion in modern US history. The actions of the House, Senate, and our incompetent President to lower taxes and raise spending NOW is damn near criminal.
Fantasy, Supposition, Innuendo and Unfounded OPINION

(BTW...reading the asinine comments from people like Hijinx and Gilligan who claim to hate Keynes and Krugman THEN proclaim overwhelming joy at the Republican tax cuts and spending increases has been one of the most comically enjoyable portions of my day over the past 10 months!)
how exactly does A equate B ?

Did you really need to have this rudimentary information explained to you??
Well so much for fostering an intelligent conversation .....

Anyone or Anything that does not conform to YOUR World View is Either Ignorant, Uneducated or Selfish .....

Oh and just to finish off properly: Trump IS inept, IS incompetent and IS unfit.
Fantasy, Supposition, Innuendo and Unfounded OPINION


What Are YOUR Qualifications Mr Krugman ? How Many Business Deals did YOU Make in the last 30 yrs, How Many Buildings Have YOUR name on them :shrug:

Every post you make is against anyone or any group that doesn't conform to your propagandist viewpoints.








:eyebrow:
 

SamSpade

Well-Known Member
Here's what I don't get about reforming entitlement programs - and why the left is programmed for double-speak.

EVERYONE seems to be in agreement that Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid need "reform" if we are ever to get our budget under control.
The magic word of course is - reform. If for any reason whatsoever anyone hints that ANY of these programs will be cut - or as in the current situation,
suggesting that *INCREASES* be lessened - they will be booed down by the left, used as leverage in campaigns -

It's not for naught they are called the "third rail of American politics".

But how in God's name do you "reform" it, then?

I can only guess that the left wants to raise the taxes on them. Which isn't reform, really. A program that has swelled and ballooned to
swallow two thirds of the budget isn't going to be "fixed" with more money. It needs to change how it spends it or at least, how it
"works". ANY reform which places more of SS money into personal savings is going to be preferable to what we do now.

Because if you just raise the taxes, raise the cap and so on, you are STILL just kicking the can down the road.
It's not "fixing" it. We have a problem in our country because companies no longer hire people for life and reliably pay out pensions.
A company can no longer claim it will pay your pension any more than Sears can tell you that Craftsman tools will always be replaced.
People have to have their own savings, but too many people - even if they save - cannot save enough during their lifetime to EVER
have enough for retirement. So "reforming" SS is more complex than we think.

I have no idea how to fix Medicare and Medicaid. Our healthcare system is the cause of their problem - data I've seen show
that - adjusting for currency and other factors - we pay twice as much for the same care in this country as others do in the
industrialized world. I can only guess it has a lot to do with regulation and such - hospitals make an ENORMOUS amount of money
that doesn't have a lot to do with actually curing people. A doctor's office fees have a lot to do with paying a doctor and six of his
staff, half of whom just do paperwork. Medical tests are positively ridiculous when the costs are shown.

You can't fix Medicare and Medicaid with more money - you have to fix health care with an intelligent means of keeping costs down.
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
yet Bernie Bro wants 'Medicare for All' a program that is going to cost 10 trillion dollars in the comings yrs

here is Bernie's Solution to pay:


The Plan Would Be Fully Paid For By:

  • A 6.2 percent income-based health care premium paid by employers.
  • Revenue raised: $630 billion per year.
  • A 2.2 percent income-based premium paid by households.
  • Revenue raised: $210 billion per year.This year, a family of four taking the standard deduction can have income up to $28,800 and not pay this tax under this plan.A family of four making $50,000 a year taking the standard deduction would only pay $466 this year.
  • Progressive income tax rates. :eyebrow: just exactly what are 'progressive tax rates'
Revenue raised: $110 billion a year.Under this plan the marginal income tax rate would be:

  • 37 percent on income between $250,000 and $500,000.
  • 43 percent on income between $500,000 and $2 million.
  • 48 percent on income between $2 million and $10 million. (In 2013, only 113,000 households, the top 0.08 percent of taxpayers, had income between $2 million and $10 million.)
  • 52 percent on income above $10 million. (In 2013, only 13,000 households, just 0.01 percent of taxpayers, had income exceeding $10 million.)

Taxing capital gains and dividends the same as income from work.

Revenue raised: $92 billion per year.Warren Buffett, the second wealthiest American in the country, has said that he pays a lower effective tax rate than his secretary. :killingme The reason is that he receives most of his income from capital gains and dividends, which are taxed at a much lower rate than income from work. This plan will end the special tax break for capital gains and dividends on household income above $250,000. - and Bernie magically thinks the rich will keep investing money then ?

Limit tax deductions for rich.

Revenue raised: $15 billion per year. Under Bernie’s plan, households making over $250,000 would no longer be able to save more than 28 cents in taxes from every dollar in tax deductions. This limit would replace more complicated and less effective limits on tax breaks for the rich including the AMT, the personal exemption phase-out and the limit on itemized deductions.

The Responsible Estate Tax.

Revenue raised: $21 billion per year.This provision would tax the estates of the wealthiest 0.3 percent (three-tenths of 1 percent) of Americans who inherit over $3.5 million at progressive rates and close loopholes in the estate tax.

Savings from health tax expenditures.

Revenue raised: $310 billion per year. Several tax breaks that subsidize health care (health-related “tax expenditures”) would become obsolete and disappear under a single-payer health care system, saving $310 billion per year.Most importantly, health care provided by employers is compensation that is not subject to payroll taxes or income taxes under current law. This is a significant tax break that would effectively disappear under this plan because all Americans would receive health care through the new single-payer program instead of employer-based health care.



'Medicare For All' Would Cost $32.6 Trillion, And That's Not Even The Worst Of It


Even this is wildly optimistic. To get to this number, author Charles Blahous had to make several completely unrealistic assumptions about savings under Sanders' hugely disruptive plan.

The first is a massive cut in payments to providers. Sanders wants to apply Medicare's below-market rates across the board, which would amount to a roughly 40% cut in payments to doctors and hospitals. Blahous figures this will save hundreds of billions of dollars a year.

But cuts of that magnitude would drive doctors out of medicine and hospitals out of business, since the only way providers can afford Medicare's cut-rate reimbursements today is by charging private payers more.

The study also assumes that shoving everyone into a government health care plan would cut administrative costs by $1.6 trillion over the next decade and prescription drug costs by $846 billion. Neither of those are likely, and wouldn't make much of a difference in overall spending anyway. Private insurance overhead accounts for about 6% of national health spending, and drugs less than 10%.

There's also the fact that every other federal health program has seen costs explode "unexpectedly" after they were enacted. The per-enrollee cost of ObamaCare's Medicaid expansion, for example, is almost 49% higher than expected. Medicare itself cost nearly 10 times as much as projected in its first 25 years.
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
Choking on the Cost of 'Medicare for All'


But candidates who advocate single-payer on the campaign trail are increasingly balking once they actually get their hands on the levers of power. That's because single-payer is cost-prohibitive. Even the most dyed-in-the-wool leftists admit as much, after they take office and have to figure out how to pay for their campaign promises.

Single-payer's champions generally paint a lovely picture of healthcare utopia. Patients go to see the doctor of their choice whenever they like, get treatment, and leave the clinic without paying a cent. No copays, no deductibles, no cost-sharing, and no referrals -- health care is "free" at the point of service.

In reality, health care doesn't magically become free; people just pay for it outside the doctor's office, in the form of higher taxes.
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
A doctor's office fees have a lot to do with paying a doctor and six of his staff, half of whom just do paperwork. Medical tests are positively ridiculous when the costs are shown.
2 things

yrs a go my primary doctor told me he spent .60 cents of EVERY Dollar on over head, paying staff to constantly resubmit invoices that the Gov and Insurance Companies kicked back constantly
my mother works part time for our Chiropractor ... you guessed it having to verify and resubmit every claim to the Gov.


insurance companies / Medicare will deny a claim for the stupidest things ... yet somehow a number doctors mange to work the system and over bill
 
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