Trayvon Martin would be alive if.....

aps45819

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:yeahthat: :yeahthat: :yeahthat: The Bozo got OUT OF HIS VEHICLE and ran after the boy! If you were a 17 year old kid and some threatening Bozo was eyeballing you as you were walking you would high-tail it out of there just at the boy did... it is WHAT WE TEACH OUR KIDS TO DO!
If he was running away, how did he get shot in the chest?
 

Dakota

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I called 911 a few weeks ago to report a shed on fire off of 234 and that is EXACTLY how our 911 operator answered the call.
It has obviously changed since my dispatching days.... It seemed like the callers were hesitating before getting to the issue on the 911 recordings - every time.
 

vraiblonde

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It is NOT a crime to walk in a community... even a gated one.
Yuh huh. It's trespassing, and indeed a crime. That's the reason people live in gated communities, so punk kids can't just come waltzing around casing the houses.

It is my hope that Boy, if confronted by a person with a gun while trespassing on private property, would explain himself and not get stupid. Of course, my greater hope is that he wouldn't be out running the streets at night in the first place, nor would he be hopping gates to get into places he's not supposed to be.
 

vraiblonde

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If he was running away, how did he get shot in the chest?
Oops.

I'm surprised at the number of people who are jumping on this bandwagon. Especially since anyone with two brain cells to rub together knows that the media lies, spins and distorts to further it's liberal agenda and cause hate and discontent.
 
If he was running away, how did he get shot in the chest?
Listen to the 911 call. He was running away from Zimmerman and then you hear Zimmerman breathing harder as he talks and that is when the dispatcher ask him if he left his vehicle to follow him and he said yes. It would be after that time that the kid stopped and turned to Zimmerman to defend himself from an armed, unidentified man.

And Vrai, you do not know how Pete's son would react. His father might have raised him to be leary of stranger hovering around in a car rather than engage the stranger in conversation. Zimmerman was NOT in a position to command respect or to be humored. He was an unidentified dude in a car with a gun. And if he was indeed walking back to his father's girlfriend's house in the community as I just pulled up on several sites then he had a right to be there.

Zimmerman did his "duty" when he called 911 because he felt suspicious. He went to far when he left his vehicle in pursuit. I feel Trayvon had a right to defend himself as everything so far points to him being the one attacked first.
 

aps45819

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Zimmerman was NOT in a position to command respect or to be humored. He was an unidentified dude in a car with a gun.
For future reference - An unidentified dude in a car with a gun ALWAYS commands respect and is to be humored.
 

Dakota

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Oops.

I'm surprised at the number of people who are jumping on this bandwagon. Especially since anyone with two brain cells to rub together knows that the media lies, spins and distorts to further it's liberal agenda and cause hate and discontent.
I totally realize the media puts a spin on things by omission but there is no doubt in my mind, with the public pressure, that Zimmerman is going to have a day in court. So far this is what we know... Martin is reported as a suspicious subject walking down the street (not a crime unless there was some sort of disclaimer posted like no tresspassing - residence only - that sort of thing) and an officer is on the way.... he was told not to follow by dispatch and did... Zimmerman & Martin ended up close enough for an altercation to occur. Was Martin thinking he was going to be jumped? Did Zimmerman identify himself?


I think there is one assumption I am going to make just from the 911 tapes and other articles - plus it being reported that Martin was shot in the chest. Zimmerman was on the bottom and Martin was on the top - for some reason this is the image I have in my mind.... just from what I've heard and read.
 
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For future reference - An unidentified dude in a car with a gun ALWAYS commands respect and is to be humored.
Which is why Trayvon seemed to decide to not confront him. I think you are full of crap if you are going to tell me that you tell your son he should approach a strange car and hold a conversation with some strange dude.
 

nhboy

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Oops.

I'm surprised at the number of people who are jumping on this bandwagon. Especially since anyone with two brain cells to rub together knows that the media lies, spins and distorts to further it's liberal agenda and cause hate and discontent.
Like Faux News!
 
I think there is one assumption I am going to make just from the 911 tapes and other articles - plus it being reported that Martin was shot in the chest. Zimmerman was on the bottom and Martin was on the top - for some reason this is the image I have in my mind.... just from what I've heard and read.
And that is an image I can see in my mind as well... and unless facts come out differently then I would attribute that to Trayvon defending himself from a man who jogged after him to confront him at night in the dark.
 

vraiblonde

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I'll tell you what this is about: the Left hates the idea of Castle Doctrine. They can't stand the thought that some poor underprivileged drug addict can't rape, rob and murder you in your own home without you being able to defend yourself. THIS is why this story is such a huge media deal.

Watch and see. The cries for the repeal of the Castle Doctrine law will be coming along any minute.
 

Dakota

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I think the left's agenda has always been to keep the United States racially divided. By doing so, we will never be as great as we could be and this story fits every reason to jump on it to further this left agenda.

I'm not sure why exactly the Feds stepped in (something mentioned early in this thread) but it sure seems like it was in response to the political agenda to me. If I'm wrong or if there was something else, please point it out to me.
 
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I'll tell you what this is about: the Left hates the idea of Castle Doctrine. They can't stand the thought that some poor underprivileged drug addict can't rape, rob and murder you in your own home without you being able to defend yourself. THIS is why this story is such a huge media deal.

Watch and see. The cries for the repeal of the Castle Doctrine law will be coming along any minute.
Oh I agree that the left is having a field day with this... but it is wrong, wrong, wrong that the ONLY reason there is even additional investigation going on about this shooting is because of the family refusing to accept that the local police did not feel there was any reason to make an arrest or do a formal investigation.... they ordered toxology on Trayvon but not at all on Zimmerman... come on... that is just plain wrong.

I am whole-heartedly an advocate for the Catle Doctrine law. When that man on Solomons Island shot the punk skate boarder to protect his community I felt he had provocation because there were several witnesses and field complaints of MANY crimes be commited by him and his punk friends.

There is NO evidence yet surfaced that gives any right to Zimmerman chasing Trayvon down. It would be a different story if he had said he saw Trayvon clawing at a window or a door or attempting to open a car... he saw none of that... he saw Trayvon walking.

That is bullcrap and Trayvon had every right to use physical force to fight off a full grown man who had just jogged up to him to confront him in the dark of night. This death happened solely because of Zimmerman and Zimmerman's poor bullheaded choices.
 
I'm not sure why exactly the Feds stepped in (something mentioned early in this thread) but it sure seems like it was in response to the political agenda to me. If I'm wrong or if there was something else, please point it out to me.
Political smittical! They stepped in because THERE WAS NO ADDITIONAL INVESTIGATION going on and there are many, many unanswered questions. In the least, Zimmerman should have been taken into custody and processed. he was not. They did no run toxology on Zimmerman.
 

Dakota

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Political smittical! They stepped in because THERE WAS NO ADDITIONAL INVESTIGATION going on and there are many, many unanswered questions. In the least, Zimmerman should have been taken into custody and processed. he was not. They did no run toxology on Zimmerman.
I'm confused as to what toxicology reports should be obtained here? Zimmerman confessed to shooting Martin and Martin's toxicology report is part of the autopsy process. So to say that really means nothing to me... I haven't seen this as a lack of an investigation - things like this take time. If this had happened here, officers would check with the State's Attorney's office to see if they had enough evidence to move forward on charges. Interviewing witnesses, etc. is part of that and it doesn't seem like Zimmerman is a flight risk. You only get one shot at trying to convict somebody - you screw it up and a not guilty verdict is entered - you don't get to do a do-over.
 

kom526

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The left has been calling for the repeal of the "Castle Doctrine" forever and this does add fuel to the fire, BUT I feel that Zimmerman killing this young boy was not "in the spirit of" the law or its intent.

Zimmerman has (possibly) done more harm to Florida gun laws than any gang of thugs in Liberty City.
 

aps45819

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Which is why Trayvon seemed to decide to not confront him. I think you are full of crap if you are going to tell me that you tell your son he should approach a strange car and hold a conversation with some strange dude.
I'll tell him that if some strange dude in a car shows you he has a gun, do whatever he tells you
 

RPMDAD

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Sorry did not know there were multiple threads on this copying post from another thread

Finally weighing in on this one. IMHO just not enough information at all. The only facts i get out of this entire thing, armed dude shoots an unarmed dude who may or may not have been trespassing. Not even sure what the term gated community means down in FL. My Mom and i owned a condo in Panama City Beach FL. They had a swing bar that came down and blocked the road for cars in and out of the community needed a magnetic strip card to open the bar and it would swing up. When walking to the beach from the condo could walk around the swing bar, not real sure this signifies a gated community, in this case i always thought it kept beach traffic with nowhere to park from entering the premises and parking in the community and spending the day at the beach and then leaving. As far as the shooter descrbing the kid as on drugs or messed up, that will come out at the autopsy. Don't really get the need for the armed dude to do much more other than notifying the police and following the unarmed dudes movements till said police arrive. Again either very slanted story or just not enough information.
PS very big proponent of CCW, but once granted need to be used wisely.
 

RPMDAD

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I'll tell you what this is about: the Left hates the idea of Castle Doctrine. They can't stand the thought that some poor underprivileged drug addict can't rape, rob and murder you in your own home without you being able to defend yourself. THIS is why this story is such a huge media deal.

Watch and see. The cries for the repeal of the Castle Doctrine law will be coming along any minute.


Vrai, i don't thinl this case is at all about the Castle Doctrine. Could be mistaken here but the armed dude did not kill the unarmed dude on his property or in his house. I think that FL. has some law called Stand your ground law. that only came into play when the armed guy followed the guy he shot through the neighborhood. Again i am a big fan of CCW, used with restraint and common sense.

U.S. News - Florida 'Stand Your Ground' law could complicate Trayvon Martin teen shooting case
 
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