kom526
They call me ... Sarcasmo
If Zimmerman did indeed get out of his vehicle and pursue Martin then, in the literal sense, Martin would have had the right to stand his ground as opposed to the man that eventually pulled the trigger.
Trayvon Martin would be alive if.....
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You can't stand your ground when you're trespassing on someone else's property.
If anyone has seen a news story that says the fiancee lived in that community, please post it. I have not heard anything of the sort from any news source.
Was the kid shot on Zimmerman's property? I had not read that. Link?
Baja28
Obama destroyed America
Her point was that Trayvon had no business being in the gated community.
Larry Gude
Strung Out
Everyone elses point is that is not a hanging offense.
We need information; did the fathers fiance live in the community? If not, if it is gated, how did he get in? Was it a short cut to where he was going? Treyvon's parents would not be the first ones to find, tragically, their kid was doing bad things they had no idea about or were ignoring, wanted to think the best of their kid.
We are ALL being done a disservice with the selective, agenda driven stories. We need information. Our heart strings, passions and prejudices are being appealed to. We are owed facts.
kwillia
n/a
There is not one shred of evidence that he was doing anything other than walking. This includes the recorded coversation of Zimmerman describing why he was suspicious of Trayvon. Even when his dead body was searched the found nothing but items that back up the story that he had run to a convenience store to get snacks for the basketball game he and his brother were watching.
And Vrai, my point all along has been that Zimmerman had no clue one way or the other as to whether or not Trayvon was rightfully inside the gates. He did not recognize the kid and called the cops. It should have stopped there. Instead he left his vehicle to confront the kid in the middle of the night. The kid had every right to be fearful for his own safety and to fend off his pursuer.
kwillia
n/a
Martin, who was in town from Miami to visit his father in Sanford, told the girl on his way back from the store he'd taken shelter the rain briefly at an apartment building in his father's gated community, Crump said. Martin then told the girl he was being followed and would try to lose the person, Crump said.
"She says: 'Run.' He says, 'I'm not going to run, I'm just going to walk fast,'" Crump says, quoting the girl.
After Martin encountered Zimmerman, the girl thinks she heard a scuffle "because his voice changes like something interrupted his speech," Crump said. The phone call ended before the girl heard gunshots.
Lawyer: Trayvon Martin told girlfriend he was being followed - News-Sentinel.com
thurley42
HY;FR
So now we shoot people because of this????
Larry Gude
Strung Out
Perhaps my tone is not coming though as intended in the written word.
My position from the beginning is that this is a bitter fruit, the inevitable, predictable result of a failed criminal justice system that engenders no trust from anyone. Blacks think, often rightly, that it is stacked against them. Others think, often rightly, that it often doesn't punish the guilty. This leaves the innocent young black man vulnerable. This leaves everyone else feeling fearful and fear is dangerous.
It looks very much like this kid did nothing wrong and was victimized by an over zealous neighborhood watch dog type. Maybe even murdered. However, it isn't that simple and these people, both of them, are, in the end, symptoms of the larger problem. As such, people with their selective, agenda driven slices of the story owe it to us, we, the people, to address the facts. If the fiancee did not live in this gated community, what was he doing there? Was he trespassing? I've never hears of a convenience store being in a gated community. Maybe this one was? If this was a short cut, it very well may have been trespassing. That used to be against the law.
So, a confrontation ensues and a young man is dead. It was not because he was black. It was because he was black and a young male and we have a criminal justice system that makes all young black males suspect by falsely accusing some and not punishing others.
Larry Gude
Strung Out
The 'clue' he had was suspicion based on numerous things. So, to say 'no clue' goes too far, in my view. However, he absolutely went too far with his suspicions and, as reported, the kid had every right to be fearful and defensive.
Dev
Anti-theist
Seems as though they did live in the community. If this is the case, can Zimmercan really claim self-defense when he actively pursued a confrontation?
Incorrect.
Like you said yesterday, you'll have to stand corrected.
According to Frank Taaffe, a friend of Zimmerman, Trayvon Martin was a guest in that community. Taaffe also said that if Trayvon had just told Zimmerman that he was on his way back to his dad's girlfriend's house, there would've been no problems.
Here's the video of Taaffe saying that Trayvon Martin was a guest in that community.
Video - Breaking News Videos from CNN.com
Trayvon Martin was NOT trespassing in the gated community.
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Yes he did.
Yes.
Bay_Kat
Tropical
here is a lot of info from the local news here, not sure how accurate it is, but it's the same thing I saw on every channel on TV last night.
Could Trayvon's shooter lose gun permit?
Could Trayvon's shooter lose gun permit?
nhboy
Ubi bene ibi patria
Thank you - that's what I was waiting for and this might have changed my opinion. More information, and all....
Why do you suppose the news people aren't specifying that? USAToday, Fox, CNN, etc - none of the stories I've seen said that he had any business in the community, even while they were clearly sympathetic toward Martin and vilifying Zimmerman. That's an important piece of information.
What if...Zimmerman's behavior and actions that night only served to totally unerve that young kid and prompt him to focus on only one thing..getting the heck away from the person accosting him? Frankly, if I was at ease with being where I was (i.e in public spaces in my own neighborhood) and a stranger appraoched and appeared to be aggressively trying to intercept me in the dark of the night, I'm pretty sure my reaction would have been less than 'chatty friendly'.
Okay, that is one of the more biased and annoying "interviews" I've seen in a very long time. I hate race baiting. Tichina Arnold should be ashamed of her racist self and Jane should be ashamed of having her ignorant ass on as an "advocate" speaking for the "black community".
Being neither here nor there, this guy also says Trayvon was visiting his mother. So is it his mother or his Dad's fiancee? Or are the one and the same?
It would be nice if some news source would report the facts, and just the facts, of the case without interjecting their bias, opinion, and leaving out pertinent details.