Trigger happy cops kill Mayors Dogs

[ITS ME]

Sometimes. However, that doesn't really matter much. Just because someone doesn't have a criminal history doesn't mean they are not a criminal. Also, this would not account for other people who may be in the residence. I think that the fact that 32 pounds of dope being delivered to these peoples house is lost on all of you!

Three people I can think of in Southern Maryland had no criminal history, yet they committed murders.

I understand what you are saying, but take a step away from the cop side of this and look at the picture as a john q public citizen......

1. Person that lives in the home is a counselor that helps "AT RISK KIDS" get back into school; and part time mayor

2. Wife is a employee with the State

3. Modest little house, nothing special, even had radiators on the walls.

4. Out in the public eye more than the average joe


While again I understand that everyone that is a criminal, must start off somehow, it just appears that this is a VERY LARGE shipment of drugs that would cost lots of money, and they dont appear to be the types of people that had a lot of money. This was apparently more than enough for personal use, so one would think it would be used for distribution. Well you would think that they should be able to obtain bank records to see if they are capable of having more than the average person and enough to pay for this package, or for that matter, any large withdraws or deposits.

How about staking out the house, or places of employment or even following them to whatever hobbies they may have to see if they dealt drugs.

Just the fact that a package full of drugs is being shipped via usps, dhl, fedex or ups doesnt give me enough evidence that this person in fact purchased these drugs or intended to sell them.

Mistakes happen, and as we have seen very recently in the past, the police are full of mistakes

 

[Merlin99]

Sometimes. However, that doesn't really matter much. Just because someone doesn't have a criminal history doesn't mean they are not a criminal. Also, this would not account for other people who may be in the residence. I think that the fact that 32 pounds of dope being delivered to these peoples house is lost on all of you!

Three people I can think of in Southern Maryland had no criminal history, yet they committed murders.

I think the fact that it was delivered by the police hasn't quite sunk in with you. They needlessly provoked the situation when all that was required was to knock on the door and ask the wife to accompany them.

 

[sommpd]

But it apparently wasnt shown until a few days later and it was a warrant where they were to knock. Because a BOZO police officer heard an old woman scream, he felt the need to give instructions to bust down the door.

Tell me, exactly what qualifcations is required to become a police officer?

Drugs in House of Geogia Woman, 92, Shot By Police: Top News Stories at Officer.com

Do you understand why the police would need to act quicker because someone seen them?

Just for a second understand what the police knew. They knew there was thirty two pounds of dope delivered to a person's home, addressed to a person in that house. Then the police knew that someone in that house saw them, and the police know that people who deal drugs also use guns.

Nothing I am going to say to you is going to change your mind, but I will answer your question.

•U.S. Citizen
•High School graduate recognized by the Maryland State Board of Education (60+college credit hours preferred)
•21 years old at the time of graduation from the Police Academy
•At the time of appointment, possess a valid State of Maryland driver’s license
Complete all of the following:

•Written Examination
•Physical Agility Test
•Completion and Submission of a Personal History Statement
•Background Investigation
•Polygraph Examination
•Panel Interview Board
•Conditional Offer of Employment
•Submission of a Writing Sample
•Psychological Screening
•Medical Examinations – complete physical
•Drug Screening Test
•Final Offer of Employment
•Graduation from the Prince George’s County Police Academy


Reasons for disqualification may include (but are not limited to) the following: poor work history; poor driving record; criminal conviction; illegal drug usage, possession, distribution, sale or purchase; falsification of application or other documents; failure to meet physical standards; inability to competitively complete any of the component parts of the selection process; and/or any other disqualifying factor as determined by the Office of the Sheriff.

 

[sommpd]

I think the fact that it was delivered by the police hasn't quite sunk in with you. They needlessly provoked the situation when all that was required was to knock on the door and ask the wife to accompany them.

Come on. Really, while we don't agree, I thought you were smarter than that. Do you really think that is how we should conduct drug operations? Granted, this didn't have it's desired outcome, but there have been dozens, possibly hundreds of raids just like this where we were successful in getting the dope and the bad guys. This new trend of delivery guys being involved is just that, a new trend. Do you really think we should ask the criminal...did you do it, then just leave it at that?

 

[pcjohnnyb]

Come on. Really, while we don't agree, I thought you were smarter than that. Do you really think that is how we should conduct drug operations? Granted, this didn't have it's desired outcome, but there have been dozens, possibly hundreds of raids just like this where we were successful in getting the dope and the bad guys. This new trend of delivery guys being involved is just that, a new trend. Do you really think we should ask the criminal...did you do it, then just leave it at that?

 

[Pandora]

Sometimes. However, that doesn't really matter much. Just because someone doesn't have a criminal history doesn't mean they are not a criminal. Also, this would not account for other people who may be in the residence. I think that the fact that 32 pounds of dope being delivered to these peoples house is lost on all of you!

Three people I can think of in Southern Maryland had no criminal history, yet they committed murders.

And were those murders crimes of passion? Because, if so, you cannot compare crimes of passion against drug activity had this produced criminal activity and a chance of prosecution. There is an entirely different set of psychological aspects and profiles in most murders that happened out of passion. In fact, the first thing that comes to mind is something Agatha Christie once said and that was something along the lines that most of the murdered were, in fact, murdered by persons whom once called themselves a friend of the victim or were at least KNOWN to the victim, prior, meaning they were not strangers met within the past 24-hours something that hasn't been discredited since.

The fact the mayor and his wife had no criminal history is just one factor in a large magnitude of factors why many feel the police seriously overstepped boundaries here, but you don't seem to get that???

I am curious about something somd, how long have you been in law enforcement?

 

[sommpd]

I understand what you are saying, but take a step away from the cop side of this and look at the picture as a john q public citizen......

1. Person that lives in the home is a counselor that helps "AT RISK KIDS" get back into school; and part time mayor

2. Wife is a employee with the State

3. Modest little house, nothing special, even had radiators on the walls.

4. Out in the public eye more than the average joe

While again I understand that everyone that is a criminal, must start off somehow, it just appears that this is a VERY LARGE shipment of drugs that would cost lots of money, and they dont appear to be the types of people that had a lot of money.



This was apparently more than enough for personal use, so one would think it would be used for distribution. Well you would think that they should be able to obtain bank records to see if they are capable of having more than the average person and enough to pay for this package, or for that matter, any large withdraws or deposits.

This is a cash business and some drug dealers operate in a very low profile.

How about staking out the house, or places of employment or even following them to whatever hobbies they may have to see if they dealt drugs.

And in the meantime, what happens to the drugs that were delivered? That is the evidence.

Just the fact that a package full of drugs is being shipped via usps, dhl, fedex or ups doesnt give me enough evidence that this person in fact purchased these drugs or intended to sell them.

But it is probable cause when someone is in possession of those drugs.

Mistakes happen, and as we have seen very recently in the past, the police are full of mistakes

Listen, one of the biggest dope dealers in Southern Maryland drove around in an old pick up truck. He owned nothing. He lived in a trailer, and showed no outward signs of extra money. However, when apprehended, they discovered multiple hidden assets.

 

[Pandora]

Listen, one of the biggest dope dealers in Southern Maryland drove around in an old pick up truck. He owned nothing. He lived in a trailer, and showed no outward signs of extra money. However, when apprehended, they discovered multiple hidden assets.

Exactly, he OWNED nothing, the mayor and his wife OWN the home they lived in and they were established in the community, another factor many considered in their conclusions here.

 

[sommpd]

And were those murders crimes of passion?

One was and two that I am thinking of were not. Lets think of some of the recent murders in Southern Maryland. Brother with minor criminal history, traffic only kills his brother. Juvenile with no criminal history kills someone during a robbery. Person with NO criminal history robs and kills a man. I am not touching on any of the domestic murders.

The fact the mayor and his wife had no criminal history is just one factor in a large magnitude of factors why many feel the police seriously overstepped boundaries here, but you don't seem to get that???

Well what are the others?

I am curious about something somd, how long have you been in law enforcement?

Why are you curious?

 

[sommpd]

Exactly, he OWNED nothing, the mayor and his wife OWN the home they lived in and they were established in the community, another factor many considered in their conclusions here.

Are you serious? Because they own a home, the police should assume they are not criminals? What do you do for a living?

 

[sommpd]

Exactly, he OWNED nothing, the mayor and his wife OWN the home they lived in and they were established in the community, another factor many considered in their conclusions here.

Waynoka mayor arrested in drug bust

Wilton mayor arrested on drug charges

MyFox St. Louis | Text: St. George Mayor Arrested For Drug Possession

washingtonpost.com: Barry Arrested on Cocaine Charges in Undercover FBI, Police Operation

These are all articles where Mayors have been arrested for drugs. Marion Barry had no previous criminal history and most likely neither did any of these other Mayors. I am sure they all owned homes.

 

[PrchJrkr]

Are you serious? Because they own a home, the police should assume they are not criminals? What do you do for a living?

She's a hooker. And a mighty fine one, I might add.

 

[dawn]

Drugs in House of Geogia Woman, 92, Shot By Police: Top News Stories at Officer.com

Do you understand why the police would need to act quicker because someone seen them?

Just for a second understand what the police knew. They knew there was thirty two pounds of dope delivered to a person's home, addressed to a person in that house. Then the police knew that someone in that house saw them, and the police know that people who deal drugs also use guns.

"Dreher said undercover officers purchased drugs inside Johnston's home in the 900 block of Neal Street in northwest Atlanta only a few hours earlier and had returned just after 7 p.m. with a "no knock" warrant to search the single-story, yellow-brick house with a green-carpeted wheelchair ramp.


"This is a crime-ridden area. We know that," said Hutchins, a local activist. "But if this were Buckhead or Midtown, there would have been a much different set of circumstances. These police officers felt comfortable shooting first and asking questions later.""

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sommpd--I think you may have been unfair to yourself by posting that link. This is totally different situation.

First off the police actually bought drugs from the home, which I have said from the beginning may have been the smartest thing to do....see if he was going to distrubute the pot rather than barge in his house and second

the old lady lived in a crime ridden area. the mayor likes to call his town "mayberry" so again no comparison.


I will stick by what I have said in the past. If they would have investigated a bit more, they wouldnt have egg on their faces. There was no rule that once the package was delivered, they must make the bust right then and there, they could have watched him for a bit to see what the intentions were.

 

[Pandora]

Are you serious? Because they own a home, the police should assume they are not criminals? What do you do for a living?

It is a factor that is considered, are you going to tell me that you are investigation a potential suspect(s) and wouldn't take into consideration that this person OWNS their own home? Owning the home shows a sense of stability in the community coupled with the fact that neither the mayor or his wife have a criminal history. Can the income from what they do for a living provide the lifestyle they live? You just want to stay in the realm that the police were justified in the barging in of a home, in which they owned, with the only probable cause being that they received a package and everyone is supposed to bob their head up and down and agree with you? That isn't going to happen. You've put yourself out there as a badge carrying member of society, out there to protect and serve, which warranted my question as to how many years have you been a badge carrying member of society?

 

[sommpd]

sommpd--I think you may have been unfair to yourself by posting that link. This is totally different situation.

First off the police actually bought drugs from the home, which I have said from the beginning may have been the smartest thing to do....see if he was going to distrubute the pot rather than barge in his house and second

the old lady lived in a crime ridden area. the mayor likes to call his town "mayberry" so again no comparison.

I will stick by what I have said in the past. If they would have investigated a bit more, they wouldnt have egg on their faces. There was no rule that once the package was delivered, they must make the bust right then and there, they could have watched him for a bit to see what the intentions were.

Ummm... have you ever been to Prince Georges County. It isn't exactly Mayberry.

Again, you are dealing with information that was not available to these officers at this time. What you should know, is they have conducted at least a half dozen of these operations this year that have been successful.

 

[sommpd]

It is a factor that is considered, are you going to tell me that you are investigation a potential suspect(s) and wouldn't take into consideration that this person OWNS their own home? Owning the home shows a sense of stability in the community coupled with the fact that neither the mayor or his wife have a criminal history. Can the income from what they do for a living provide the lifestyle they live? You just want to stay in the realm that the police were justified in the barging in of a home, in which they owned, with the only probable cause being that they received a package and everyone is supposed to bob their head up and down and agree with you? That isn't going to happen. You've put yourself out there as a badge carrying member of society, out there to protect and serve, which warranted my question as to how many years have you been a badge carrying member of society?

The judge agrees with me? If this was the wrong thing to do, isn't the judge supposed to stop it? I have been in my position for well over ten years.

 

[Pandora]

The judge agrees with me? If this was the wrong thing to do, isn't the judge supposed to stop it?

And judges never make mistakes?

What planet do you live on? Because here on plant Earth, judges make piss poor decisions all the time, why? Because they are human maybe?

Still didn't answer my question, I see, but another thing I am curious about is for a proclaimed law enforcement officer, you always seem to be available on the boards? I wonder if the officer that requested the judge signed squat was more interested in the postings here than in getting it right? hummmmm

 

[dawn]

Sommpd-- you asked this question

And in the meantime, what happens to the drugs that were delivered? That is the evidence.


I understand it is evidence, if the police interceppted the package, odds are they opened it before it was delivered right? I am sure the took pictures of the contents of the package, I am sure it was recorded (filmed) them delivering the package.

I dont do drugs, but I would assume with that much in drugs, the intent would be to sell and not for personal use, so the evidence would have to at one point in time be prepared and made available for distribution, so again, couldnt they have either tapped his phones to listen in and watch the comings and goings. It would seem like if they thought him to be such a huge drug dealer, they would want to find out who he gets it from, wouldnt they?

 

[foodcritic]

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I will stick by what I have said in the past. If they would have investigated a bit more, they wouldnt have egg on their faces. There was no rule that once the package was delivered, they must make the bust right then and there, they could have watched him for a bit to see what the intentions were.

The issue is pretty settled legally as SOMPD has articulated. The presence of this quantitiy of marijuana is enough to justify a search warrant based on what I have read ie. being mailed to an address. Anytime drugs are mailed and the police are "tipped" to it either by officials (UPS. FedEx) I suspect an arrest is made of the person who received it. Probable cause (PC)does not mean guilt it means the a reasonable person would believe a certian person has comitted a crime and that the suspect was the one who committed it. Case closed. That is all PC is. Does not mean he is guilty allthough most people think that they are the same thing. Would a reasonable person (based on training expierence etc) believe, that the guy receiving 17 pounds of POT via mail, has broken the law. I think so. If anything he is in simple possession of it and the police knew it. Shooting the dogs is a seperate issue all together.

 

[pcjohnnyb]

Ummm... have you ever been to Prince Georges County. It isn't exactly Mayberry.

Again, you are dealing with information that was not available to these officers at this time. What you should know, is they have conducted at least a half dozen of these operations this year that have been successful.

Because the whole county is bad?