Trouble in Paradise....

pixiegirl

Cleopatra Jones
I find myself facing a choice that's a lot harder to make when the animal is actually yours... I am totally for putting down ANY agressive animal. But now that I may have one I'm not sure what to do. Here's the deal. We bring Murphy home and for the first couple days he's a little shy and reserved. He starts coming out of his shell more and more every day. First he constantly humps poor Mily and went as far as to lift his leg on her. He hadn't gotten nasty with her at all. Very dominant though. That's bothers me somewhat because she's twice his size and much stronger. I got him fully thinking she'd be the boss. Not a huge deal though as long as they're getting along.

Since he's still a strange dog I'm very careful how the kids act with him. Noah adores him and is use to being able to roll around on the ground with Mily. I supervise, supervise, supervise him with Murphy. Well the niht before last they (Noah and Murphy) were on the couch and Noah was trying to roll around with him. I was right on the recliner next to them watching every move. Noah rolled and buried his face in the couch. As he was rolling out and reaching for Murphy, Murphy snapped at him, right at his face. I got up and got Murphy off the couch, scolded him and put both he and Mily outside to totally dismantle the situation.

I let them back in after a few minutes and everything was fine. The dogs are running around playing with each other. Mily goes to lay in front of the fire place and Murphy comes running in the living room with something in his mouth. It's one of Grady's blocks. I go over and tell him to "drop it", he doesn't listen (I didn't really expect him to but you have to teach them somehow). I bent over to remove it from his mouth myself. He growled at me. I scolded him and then tried the replacement method which worked.

Yesterday I was at work and Brent at home with the dogs. He had them out back and when he went to let them back in they were a muddy mess. He got a towel and had both dogs right by the back door. Murphy first since he's the smaller and easier. He goes to wipe Murphy's feet and Murphy snapped at him. Brent put him in his crate and left him there until I got home. I let him out and everything was fine again for a while. He got another one of Grady's blocks. Brent went to take it from him and he snapped at Brent again. Brent snatched the block anyway and put Murphy in his bed again.

I went for the smaller male dog because with small kids in the house I wanted to do everything I could to prevent a dog fight. Looks like the dog fight isn't what I have to be concerned with. I will not have a snappy dog around my kids. Noah knows how to treat a dog but is still a kid and wants to play with them. When Murphy snapped at him Noah was doing nothing wrong. When Grady's in his walker Mily will come up to them and they'll swap a little spit. She sits beside him and licks his face while he grabs onto her. I won't let Murphy near him for fear that Grady will grab him and Murphy will bite him in the face. I don't know what to do. I have had little experience with agressive dogs and I don't know if it's something that can resolve itself with training or if I shouldn't take the chance. Had you asked me before I got him I'd of said he should be put down but now that he's mine I'm feeling differently.
 

cattitude

My Sweetest Boy
I would NEVER own a dog that snapped or bit a child. NEVER. And I have given up a dog because of this.

I suppose you could give him a few more weeks to settle in, maybe talk to a trainer and in the mean time, keep him away from the children.

He was a stray, you don't know what his background is.
 

morganj614

New Member
cattitude said:
I would NEVER own a dog that snapped or bit a child. NEVER. And I have given up a dog because of this.

I suppose you could give me a few more weeks to settle in, maybe talk to a trainer and in the mean time, keep him away from the children.

He was a stray, you don't know what his background is.

What Catt said :yeahthat:
 
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Kizzy

Guest
:yeahthat: Right after our lab died, we adopted a dog that was a golden retriever/chow mix, and it hated kids, so it went back to the shelter. No doubt, Murphy seems easily started by the children’s affirtive moments, and that snapping will lead to a bite.
 

pixiegirl

Cleopatra Jones
cattitude said:
He was a stray, you don't know what his background is.

Exactly all I know is that he was picked up in PG County. He's not allowed near Grady at all and since he snapped at Noah I've been very very cautious. I've let Noah pet him but not get down and roll around with him.

I also won't have a dog that tries to chew my hand off for cutting his nails. He snapped at Brent for just trying to wipe his feet. He'll probably go nuts if I try to cut his nails. Good thing for me I have yet to find the nail clippers or else I would have tried the day I brought him home. As Otter knows they both need it. :lol:
 

morganj614

New Member
You have had him 1 week. See what you can do with him but I know as soon as he bites one of the kids, you'll think different.
 

aps45819

24/7 Single Dad
Sounds like he's try to establish his position as the Alpha male. Next time he makes any agressive move, grab him by the scruff of the neck and push him down on the ground. If you can get him on his back it's even more effective. If he responds by ripping your arm open, you'll know for sure that he shouldn't be around your kids.
 

Suz

33 yrs & we r still n luv
Kizzy said:
:yeahthat: Right after our lab died, we adopted a dog that was a golden retriever/chow mix, and it hated kids, so it went back to the shelter. No doubt, Murphy seems easily started by the children’s affirtive moments, and that snapping will lead to a bite.
gotta go
gotta go
gotta go right now.

Been there done that. 29 yrs ago chow chow--cost me over 2k for him and after he bit me (and tried to bite everyone else) he became a guard dog at Raiford prison in Fla. Still have the scars on my right hand to show for it. (didn't scare me off the breed tho-have a chow (#4) to this day)

do it before one of your children has a scar.
 

pixiegirl

Cleopatra Jones
aps45819 said:
Sounds like he's try to establish his position as the Alpha male. Next time he makes any agressive move, grab him by the scruff of the neck and push him down on the ground. If you can get him on his back it's even more effective. If he responds by ripping your arm open, you'll know for sure that he shouldn't be around your kids.


I won't go there with a dog. I've had dogs my whole life and have never had an issue with a dog growling at me or snapping at me. I have the big bad mean ol' Pit Bull that'll put herself on punishment (in her crate) when I raise my voice.

I feel bad for her too. I had to make a shake can to get them to settle down. It scares the ever living $hit outa her but doesn't phase him but for a second. When I scold him she gets freaked and runs into her crate. I wanted a playmate for her and while he does play pretty well with her (because she submisses) I think she's getting the short end of the stick.
 

cattitude

My Sweetest Boy
pixiegirl said:
I also won't have a dog that tries to chew my hand off for cutting his nails. He snapped at Brent for just trying to wipe his feet. He'll probably go nuts if I try to cut his nails. Good thing for me I have yet to find the nail clippers or else I would have tried the day I brought him home. As Otter knows they both need it. :lol:
My lab mix hated his feet touched when I first got him (Tri County) years ago. He's pretty much over that. When he was laying down, I would gently rub his paws and tell him good boy and we worked up to my sort of pinching his toes a little. We can now cut his nails w/o muzzling him. That's not the big deal. The biting can be. It doesn't sound like has a particular problem with kids as he does with somebody taking his "things." He seemed like such a nice dog, maybe he's just going through an adjustment period. I suspect he wasn't treated very nicely wherever he came from and had to fend for himself and has learned nasty habits.

Do you have time to take him to a few obedience classes and get him properly socialized?
 

Chasey_Lane

Salt Life
cattitude said:
I suppose you could give him a few more weeks to settle in, maybe talk to a trainer and in the mean time, keep him away from the children.
And in those "few" weeks, he could do more than just "snap" at you. Your first priority is to your children. I would take Murphy back to the shelter; I'm sure they would understand and take him back.
 

sleuth

Livin' Like Thanksgivin'
Some of this sounds pretty normal for a dog.

Anytime you try to pull something from a dog's mouth... he's liable to growl at you. Sometimes they're playing. Sometimes they see it as their prey and get protective of it.

And the paws of a dog can be somewhat sensitive, especially if when wiping them the nails were hooking or if had something between his toes, or if it was just in general uncomfortable for him. Doesn't surprise me that he snapped.

Now the couch deal... I might be concerned about that one.

I don't think a dog should be put down for "snapping" and "growling". Sounds like this dog may better be suited for being an outside dog and spending time around grown-ups. Lots of animals don't like children. Some animals crave to be around them.

Now... if the dog ever bites and grips onto something... perhaps that's a dog that should be put down. Or maybe given to someone who wants a guard-dog.
 

pixiegirl

Cleopatra Jones
sleuth said:
Some of this sounds pretty normal for a dog.

Anytime you try to pull something from a dog's mouth... he's liable to growl at you. Sometimes they're playing. Sometimes they see it as their prey and get protective of it.

And the paws of a dog can be somewhat sensitive, especially if when wiping them the nails were hooking or if had something between his toes, or if it was just in general uncomfortable for him. Doesn't surprise me that he snapped.

You are effing kidding me right? I've had dogs my entire life and worked for a vet for a couple years.

#1 it was not food I was pulling from the dogs mouth it was a plastic block. Snapping and growling are two different things. He growled at me and snapped at Brent. I have never had a dog that I could not open it's mouth and remove something from. Never. And I won't.

#2 I worked for a vet for almost 2 years. Do you know how many nails I've clipped. I'd ventrure to say that 90% of the dogs I've had to clip nails on had no problem with it. Dogs paws are generally not sensative, thus they don't need to wear shoes like you and I. If there was something making his foot uncomforatable I should be able to look at it without him snapping. Mily (as well as every other dog I've ever owned) has no problem with stopping to let me wipe her feet when they're muddy or letting me clip her nails.
 

sleuth

Livin' Like Thanksgivin'
pixiegirl said:
You are effing kidding me right? I've had dogs my entire life and worked for a vet for a couple years.

Not kidding ya...
Just relaying my experience. I owned various breeds of dogs from the time I was a bebe until I graduated high school. My parents used to breed collie and beagle pups. I used to wrestle with all kinds of dogs as a child.

The things you mentioned above are not unusual in my experience.
 
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