Trump and the dead end of conservative nationalism

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
Nationalism, by its nature, excludes people. Raising one’s nation above others begins with defining what that nation is — and who belongs in it.

It’s theoretically possible to have a liberal nationalism, even a socialist nationalism, that welcomes foreigners interested in joining the nation’s ranks. The last president’s rhetoric about what Americans have in common, and how immigration strengthens the country, strikes me as a species of liberal nationalism.

But conservative nationalism by its nature not like that. It holds that community arises from longstanding and deep connections between citizens, connections that come from their shared identity, history, and cultural values. This is what is “conservative” about it, and also what makes it inclined to view the entry of foreigners into the American polity skeptically.

“When we come to look at a policy like immigration, I’m not that interested [in] economic arguments,” Hazony said in his speech. “It doesn’t make a darn bit of difference what the economic arguments are if the country is fraying so badly ... that adding more immigrants will literally tear the country to pieces.”

https://www.vox.com/2019/7/17/20696543/national-conservatism-conference-2019-trump


What is wrong with placing one's own Country 1st, everyone else does ..



Wow is VOX clueless ... Socialist Nationalism .... yeah mean National Socialist aka Nazi's

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism

National Socialism (German: Nationalsozialismus), more commonly known as Nazism (/ˈnɑːtsiɪzəm, ˈnæt-/),[1] is the ideology and practices associated with the Nazi Party—officially the National Socialist German Workers' Party (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei or NSDAP)—in Nazi Germany, and of other far-right groups with similar aims.

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transporter

Well-Known Member
What is wrong with placing one's own Country 1st, everyone else does ..

What is wrong is when you treat it like zero sum game...(to the morons who don't understand...go look it up)

International trade is NOT a zero sum game.

International diplomacy is NOT a zero sum game.

Policy, legislation and rule making in a democracy are NOT zero sum games.

Trump has achieved almost nothing legislatively in the US and almost nothing internationally. He either loses or no progress is made, in part, because he treats every issue as a zero sum games. (The other reason nothing much gets done is because no one, including Trump, knows what the hell is policies or legislative priorities are from minute to minute, day to day, week to week).

International trade, diplomacy legislation, rule making require give and take. NO ONE and NO one side gets everything they want at the expense of everyone else. That is the inherit problem with Trump and the ignorati.
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
Trump has achieved almost nothing legislatively in the US
so by your own admissions there have been accomplishments

and almost nothing internationally.
so by your own admissions there have been accomplishments

International trade, diplomacy legislation, rule making require give and take. NO ONE and NO one side gets everything they want at the expense of everyone else.
Thank You Captain OBVIOUS ....

Anyone that ever play Sid Meier's Civilization for more than an hour learned that fact.

The does not mean you sit back and take what is dished out. aka China stealing American IP

yeah about those tariffs it is really telling what exactly China put Tariffs on American Goods designed to hurt Trump Supporters the most

not stuff they really needed

EVERY OTHER COUNTRY ON THE PLANET IS IN IT FOR THEMSELVES ....

yes you have agreements to do X Y Z ..... Mutual Defense Treaties ..... 0Economic Agreements




That is the inherit problem with Trump and the ignorati.
 

SamSpade

Well-Known Member
I can't stand the way "nationalism" is equated with any other phrase containing the word. "Progressive" is not the same thing as "progressive dinner", "progressive rock" or "Progressive Auto Insurance". It doesn't even mean the same thing in all uses; if a business idea is 'progressive' it is not the same as a disease that is 'progressive'.

It is completely normal to be patriotic - to love your nation. It is normal to believe your nation is a great place to live; it's normal to wish your nation would win the World Cup or the Olympics.

"Breathes there the man, with soul so dead,
Who never to himself hath said,
This is my own, my native land!"

It is NOT the same as Nativism - the idea that sorry, this is my land and YOUR kind is not welcome here.
And people are like that regardless of race or creed or ethnicity - they're protective of their homes and where they live,
because they don't want it to change. As I've said before, unless you're BORN in this county, some people will always wish
you'd move away - and I've lived all over this country, and that sentiment is everywhere. Big city types despise country folk
and rural types want the city folk to go back to the city. Cool kids don't want the nerds in their face; neither do jocks.

Oddly enough - the behavior of nativism - the idea of this is ours, get out, you don't belong - is frowned upon HERE, in this the
greatest nation on earth - but elsewhere in the world - it's not only normal, it's expected. People I've met the world over are surprised
that the United States truly is a "classless" society. We don't care who your dad is or what side of the tracks you come from.
 
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