Trump golfing has already cost over $100 million

Sapidus

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That’s only $12 million less than Obama spent in 8 years. This is also 4 times as much as the Mueller report which was according to Republicans outrageous.

oh and best of all most of this money goes right Into Trumps pockets since he visits his own resorts and golf courses.

Feel free to defend this grifting and violation of the emoluments clause

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GURPS

INGSOC
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oh and best of all most of this money goes right Into Trumps pockets since he visits his own resorts and golf courses.
Feel free to defend this grifting and violation of the emoluments clause
Why don't YOU back up YOUR Claims of 'grifting' and the Aledged Violation of the Emoluments Clause

Fantasy, Supposition, Innuendo and ASSUMPTION
 
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Rommey

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How do you think it works? Do you think he donates all the hotel rooms and golf carts for the SS?
Quick questions: Would the SS have to rent rooms regardless of where they were staying? Is the rate the SS pays higher than what the allowable government rate is? Mar A Lago couldn't give the rooms at no charge because that would also violate ethics rules of giving gifts to government employees.

So you are essentially saying that Trump can't go to any of his properties since the SS would have to rent lodging there as well.
 

Sapidus

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Quick questions: Would the SS have to rent rooms regardless of where they were staying? Is the rate the SS pays higher than what the allowable government rate is? Mar A Lago couldn't give the rooms at no charge because that would also violate ethics rules of giving gifts to government employees.

So you are essentially saying that Trump can't go to any of his properties since the SS would have to rent lodging there as well.

Yes. The government is forced to pay the rack rate but to avoid accusations of impropriety and to be ethical Trumo should not stay at properties he owns so as to avoid enriching himself at the tax payers expense.

Jimmy carter gave up a peanut farm to avoid any whiff of impropriety.

You folks cried every time Obama golfed or god forbid played basketball but you don’t care when Trump has almost outspent Obama in a Quarter of the time and the profit goes in his pocket
 

This_person

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Yes. The government is forced to pay the rack rate but to avoid accusations of impropriety and to be ethical Trumo should not stay at properties he owns so as to avoid enriching himself at the tax payers expense.

Jimmy carter gave up a peanut farm to avoid any whiff of impropriety.

You folks cried every time Obama golfed or god forbid played basketball but you don’t care when Trump has almost outspent Obama in a Quarter of the time and the profit goes in his pocket
So, since you brought up Obama twice in this thread, I have to ask: Were you upset and screaming about Obama when he ordered thousands of his books to be bought by the State Department? Are you consistent in ANY way?
 

Midnightrider

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Quick questions: Would the SS have to rent rooms regardless of where they were staying? Is the rate the SS pays higher than what the allowable government rate is? Mar A Lago couldn't give the rooms at no charge because that would also violate ethics rules of giving gifts to government employees.

So you are essentially saying that Trump can't go to any of his properties since the SS would have to rent lodging there as well.
The difference of course being that trump gets a part of every dollar spent at his facilities.
Not to mention this was supposed to be president ‘too busy working to play golf’
 

This_person

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The difference of course being that trump gets a part of every dollar spent at his facilities.
Sort of like every president ever who has rented out part of their spaces to the SS on their home property for part of their protection?

Not to mention this was supposed to be president ‘too busy working to play golf’
Huh, I guess he's even better than he thought.
 

GURPS

INGSOC
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Yes. The government is forced to pay the rack rate
The Secret Service is required to pay the going rate

  • be it Clinton's getting 10k a month Chappaqua Home
  • a pool house at the Biden Residence for $ 2200
  • Obama - no figures yet but DC rent Kalorama Circle is not cheap when houses sell for 8 million dollars
ANYTHING else would be considered a Gift and is Illegal



but to avoid accusations of impropriety and to be ethical Trump should not stay at properties he owns so as to avoid enriching himself at the tax payers expense.
Yeah MORE Bull Fantasy, Supposition, Innuendo and ASSUMPTION from Progressives
 

transporter

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The Secret Service is required to pay the going rate

  • be it Clinton's getting 10k a month Chappaqua Home
  • a pool house at the Biden Residence for $ 2200
  • Obama - no figures yet but DC rent Kalorama Circle is not cheap when houses sell for 8 million dollars
ANYTHING else would be considered a Gift and is Illegal





Yeah MORE Bull Fantasy, Supposition, Innuendo and ASSUMPTION from Progressives
Comrade, comrade, comrade...you seem to forget a couple of things in your zeal to prove Trump's innocence because others are guilty of similar though smaller scale offenses:

1. Trump promised he would spend all his time in the WH. He would "have no time for golf".

2. Trump promised to clean up the swamp. Remember that one? That used to be a big rallying cry on here among the ignorati types.

But you go ahead and twist yourself into ideological knots trying to defend a man who is indefensible and proclaim you undying loyalty to a man who doesn't give two sh!ts about anyone but himself.
 

transporter

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It is also worth noting that comrade GURPS alter-ego, Hijinx, hasn't commented on this thread.

Come on Hijinx, you might as well join the crowd of hypocrites. You spent years b!tching about Obama's golf outings. Where are you now?

Aren't YOU getting tired of the bullsh!t?
 

GURPS

INGSOC
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Comrade, comrade, comrade ... you seem to forget a couple of things in your zeal to prove Trump's innocence because others are guilty of similar though smaller scale offenses:

1. Trump promised he would spend all his time in the WH. He would "have no time for golf".

2. Trump promised to clean up the swamp. Remember that one? That used to be a big rallying cry on here among the ignorati types.

But you go ahead and twist yourself into ideological knots trying to defend a man who is indefensible and proclaim you undying loyalty to a man who doesn't give two sh!ts about anyone but himself.

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All of which has ZERO to do with the discussion at hand ........

:cds:

OMG Trump said one thing on the campaign trail and does another in office

  1. he changed his mind - what YOU never change your mind
  2. He Lied - So F u c king what



I have no loyalty to Trump I post to make your head explode - remember I am a mercenary - paid to post



You spent years b!tching about Obama's golf outings.
and for yrs it was the Progressive Mantra ' Leave the President alone' the expenses are the 'cost of doing business'

or should that have been 'leave the Obama Alone - Racist' but once a Republican is back in the White House Presidential Security Expenses are going to matter again
 

Sapidus

Active Member
So, since you brought up Obama twice in this thread, I have to ask: Were you upset and screaming about Obama when he ordered thousands of his books to be bought by the State Department? Are you consistent in ANY way?

What a sad little man you are. You continually bring that up with the full knowledge that even if Obama hoped to profit from that the most he would have earned is $5000 while Trump has tucked close to $100 million in his pockets and will continue to do so for the rest of his life while he forces th government to patronize his resorts.

This is so beyond hypocritical it shows your true nature and the fact that you are more upset about Obama possibly earning a few grand while Trump will leave the White house at least $400 million richer which we now know he desperately needs
 

This_person

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What a sad little man you are. You continually bring that up with the full knowledge that even if Obama hoped to profit from that the most he would have earned is $5000 while Trump has tucked close to $100 million in his pockets and will continue to do so for the rest of his life while he forces th government to patronize his resorts.

This is so beyond hypocritical it shows your true nature and the fact that you are more upset about Obama possibly earning a few grand while Trump will leave the White house at least $400 million richer which we now know he desperately needs
So, you agree Obama did the same thing, just less money. And, you're okay with that, even though the Obama's are worse large orders of magnitude less than the Trump's, and thus by scale it is the same thing?

Meanwhile, can you show me how $100M is going into the president's pockets? You've provided an unverified study that says he's spent $100M on travel - does he own all the gas stations where fuel was obtained, and the car rental agencies, and every bit of food bought on per diem, and does he have zero overhead on all these things such that it is 100% profit, or are you an idiot? It really has to be one or the other.
 

Sapidus

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So, you agree Obama did the same thing, just less money. And, you're okay with that, even though the Obama's are worse large orders of magnitude less than the Trump's, and thus by scale it is the same thing?

Meanwhile, can you show me how $100M is going into the president's pockets? You've provided an unverified study that says he's spent $100M on travel - does he own all the gas stations where fuel was obtained, and the car rental agencies, and every bit of food bought on per diem, and does he have zero overhead on all these things such that it is 100% profit, or are you an idiot? It really has to be one or the other.

No because as usual you ascribe the worst of Obama while failing to do so of Trump because you re biased.

There is no indication those books were ordered at Obama's behest. Yet you assume he attempted to profit from it.

While you make excuse after excuse for Trump who has shown himself to be a conman, grifter and lair and could choose to vacation elsewhere to avoid an impropriety.
 

This_person

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No because as usual you ascribe the worst of Obama while failing to do so of Trump because you re biased.

There is no indication those books were ordered at Obama's behest. Yet you assume he attempted to profit from it.

While you make excuse after excuse for Trump who has shown himself to be a conman, grifter and lair and could choose to vacation elsewhere to avoid an impropriety.
Did he offer up the profits from them to avoid the impropriety? I'm only asking because YOU brought him up repeatedly?

Did the Clintons suggest the SS get a property somewhere other than their property in Chappaqua, to avoid an impropriety of the Clintons "profiting" from the SS renting space on their land?

The dude is vacationing where he chooses to vacation. He is not mandating that any SS stay in the hotel, or any staff, nor is he profiting any amount of money from some hotel stays that will impact his income in any meaningful way. Not sure if you heard, the man earned almost half a million dollars last year, and gave up his government salary. When you can show how hotel stays' profits to the CEO (after taxes, expenses, paying staff, utilities, etc.) earn him what he donates back from his government salary, you MAY have a poor and easily disputed argument. At this point, you don't even have that.

Does he vacation too much? Maybe, but after 8 years of being told the president is NEVER on vacation, it's kind of hard to make that point. Unless and until we establish a maximum amount of vacation time elected officials may take, none of them take too much vacation other than in individual opinions.

You have an opinion. Good for you.
 

This_person

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I seem to recall this was the claim made by Democrats every time Obama went to Hawaii
And, apparently, when his daughter was hired on as an "advisor" so she could fly at government cost instead of personal cost when vacationing in Europe.
 
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