Trump on debt...

[This_person]

Which implies that everything is a flat, gray expanse with no hills and no pits and totally disregards the reality of local conditions and pure dumb luck.

So kids who graduated from Great Mills are treated exactly the same as kids who graduated from Leonardtown, right? Right?

Luck didn't start with your generation, mine, my parents', or my great-great-great-great grandparents' generation.

That means luck is a level playing field.

Life has pits, hills, and colorful obstacles as well as sneaky easier paths. Everyone knows this. That makes all of these things a level playing field.

Where one graduates high school is pretty insignificant. Whether one graduates high school, and what their grade point average and attendance/disciplinary records (as well as the courses they chose to take) do seem to matter. How people choose to dress matters. Tattoos, piercings, dialect, how people comport themselves - all these things matter. Attitude, work ethic, ambition, integrity....do I really need to go on?

 

[This_person]

I don't know, and that's the problem. Hard work should earn you rewards. It doesn't. So what do we do.

Choose the work that does earn rewards if that is the goal. Do the work that makes the subject person happy if that is the goal.

In short, set a goal and find a path to achieve said goal.

 

[This_person]

Right, the countries economy can burn but as long as the richest are fine the world is fine and we need not worry about it.

NO, I'm not saying that AT ALL.

I'm agreeing with you and Larry that people and governments should be able to borrow without the burden of being expected to pay back what they've borrowed per the agreement they made with the loaning agent.

So, as this is clearly your belief, I would expect you to loan me some money. Doesn't really matter the terms, I'm simply not going to pay you back. That's what you're touting with Larry, isn't it?

 

[TheLibertonian]

NO, I'm not saying that AT ALL.

I'm agreeing with you and Larry that people and governments should be able to borrow without the burden of being expected to pay back what they've borrowed per the agreement they made with the loaning agent.

So, as this is clearly your belief, I would expect you to loan me some money. Doesn't really matter the terms, I'm simply not going to pay you back. That's what you're touting with Larry, isn't it?

Except I never said I was agreeing with larry. I'm disagreeing with your insane desire to reduce us to feudalism take two via locking our hands on the wheel and refusing to change in any way our ideas about money, debt, and work.

 

[Larry Gude]

NO, I'm not saying that AT ALL.

I'm agreeing with you and Larry that people and governments should be able to borrow without the burden of being expected to pay back what they've borrowed per the agreement they made with the loaning agent.

So, as this is clearly your belief, I would expect you to loan me some money. Doesn't really matter the terms, I'm simply not going to pay you back. That's what you're touting with Larry, isn't it?

Thinking like that makes it clearer and clearer to me why we are so ####ed up. You literally can not conceive of being unable to repay a debt? Of business going bad, illness, theft, natural disaster, massive economic change, hell, someone dying.

This is why I gave up on caring about politics; far too many people I simply can not relate to or understand. Our system relies on persuasion. Persuasion depends on people being willing to consider and be persuaded.

Clearly, there are TONS of situations where people, business, nations, can NOT conform to deals, agreements, their word, whatever contract you'd like to call it and, for simple self preservation stop trying to. That you don't get that, readily, there is simply nothing I can say or add to the conversation. You're not alone. Lots and lots of people see things in the same black and white as you.

This is why dictatorships are always an option. This is why wars happen. This is why seemingly very simple, cheaper, easier solutions are tossed aside in favor of shear brute force be it a monarch, dictator, mullahs, whomever; they see that reason is impossible, that persuasion is sometimes more trouble than it is worth and they just make people. Frankly, it's why Trump has so many fans; they do not give a flying #### what he says or if he makes ANY sense; they see him as strong and will win. Screw reason, screw rational argument, screw the law. Just win, baby.

Thanks, if nothing else, for helping me see more clearly.

 

[Gilligan]

Thinking like that makes it clearer and clearer to me why we are so ####ed up. You literally can not conceive of being unable to repay a debt? Of business going bad, illness, theft, natural disaster, massive economic change, hell, someone dying.

This is why I gave up on caring about politics; far too many people I simply can not relate to or understand. Our system relies on persuasion. Persuasion depends on people being willing to consider and be persuaded.

Clearly, there are TONS of situations where people, business, nations, can NOT conform to deals, agreements, their word, whatever contract you'd like to call it and, for simple self preservation stop trying to. That you don't get that, readily, there is simply nothing I can say or add to the conversation. You're not alone. Lots and lots of people see things in the same black and white as you.

This is why dictatorships are always an option. This is why wars happen. This is why seemingly very simple, cheaper, easier solutions are tossed aside in favor of shear brute force be it a monarch, dictator, mullahs, whomever; they see that reason is impossible, that persuasion is sometimes more trouble than it is worth and they just make people. Frankly, it's why Trump has so many fans; they do not give a flying #### what he says or if he makes ANY sense; they see him as strong and will win. Screw reason, screw rational argument, screw the law. Just win, baby.

Thanks, if nothing else, for helping me see more clearly.

Larry for Emperor!

 

[Larry Gude]

Larry for Emperor!

Not if it was handed to me.

That's the Catch-22 about America and always has been; it only works when we persuade one another. Period. Not when we get around the Constitution. Not when we just ignore it. Only when we actually honor the oath and work within the very friendly, honorable, honest and changeable rules.

 

[Gilligan]

Not if it was handed to me.

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well..ok..how about King, then? Maybe after tugging on a sword, or something...

 

[This_person]

Except I never said I was agreeing with larry. I'm disagreeing with your insane desire to reduce us to feudalism take two via locking our hands on the wheel and refusing to change in any way our ideas about money, debt, and work.

People, or countries, paying what they owe is not feudalism.

 

[This_person]

Thinking like that makes it clearer and clearer to me why we are so ####ed up. You literally can not conceive of being unable to repay a debt? Of business going bad, illness, theft, natural disaster, massive economic change, hell, someone dying.

This is why I gave up on caring about politics; far too many people I simply can not relate to or understand. Our system relies on persuasion. Persuasion depends on people being willing to consider and be persuaded.

Clearly, there are TONS of situations where people, business, nations, can NOT conform to deals, agreements, their word, whatever contract you'd like to call it and, for simple self preservation stop trying to. That you don't get that, readily, there is simply nothing I can say or add to the conversation. You're not alone. Lots and lots of people see things in the same black and white as you.

This is why dictatorships are always an option. This is why wars happen. This is why seemingly very simple, cheaper, easier solutions are tossed aside in favor of shear brute force be it a monarch, dictator, mullahs, whomever; they see that reason is impossible, that persuasion is sometimes more trouble than it is worth and they just make people. Frankly, it's why Trump has so many fans; they do not give a flying #### what he says or if he makes ANY sense; they see him as strong and will win. Screw reason, screw rational argument, screw the law. Just win, baby.

Thanks, if nothing else, for helping me see more clearly.

Of course I can conceive of it. We have bankruptcy laws for that.

Is America bankrupt? Is everyone who owes money bankrupt?

 

[Larry Gude]

well..ok..how about King, then? Maybe after tugging on a sword, or something...

Here's the problem with being king. Then what? No matter how awesome or awful I'd be, how would we get back to representative gummint?

 

[Larry Gude]

Is America bankrupt? Is everyone who owes money bankrupt?

Good point. Guess we should wait until then.

 

[Gilligan]

how would we get back to representative gummint?

You could put that in your will, I guess.

 

[Larry Gude]

You could put that in your will, I guess.

Hmm. I like it.

 

[This_person]

Good point. Guess we should wait until then.

Bankruptcy rates are not easy to track over time (at least not for me), but I can see that in 2010 we had over 1.5 million people filing for bankruptcy, and in 2015 it was more like 900,000. It's dropped pretty consistently every year.

So, when you want to absolve people of the responsibility for their actions of getting into debt, what problem are you trying to solve? Bankruptcies are not only NOT out of control, they're in decline for an extended period of time.

The United States is not near bankruptcy. The people, as a whole, are not near bankruptcy.

What the hell are you talking about???

 

[Larry Gude]

Nothing. Everything is fine. Carry on. Nothing to see here, no need to change much of anything. All is well.

Go back to

 

[Hijinx]

Here's the problem with being king. Then what? No matter how awesome or awful I'd be, how would we get back to representative gummint?

I believe your question should be When WILL we get back o representative Government.
We are not represented now.

 

[Larry Gude]

I believe your question should be When WILL we get back o representative Government.
We are not represented now.

Yes we are. We simply choose to not agree on enough, and stick to it, to make

 

[TheLibertonian]

Yes we are. We simply choose to not agree on enough, and stick to it, to make

The end of your post seem to be cutting off for some reason.

 

[Gilligan]

That's probably because