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[Hijinx]

BYD launches new Dolphin EV starting under $14K as price war with ICE cars heats up

BYD launched the new Dolphin Honor Edition with more performance, an improved design, and an even lower price tag. The...

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An electric car for under $14,000 dollars,. Not for trips but great for a small commute or a trip the the grocer or hardware store.
Of course the price will start out small but pretty soon they will add a lot of BS to the car and run the price up, But imagine this car being built in Mexico and selling for the price of an expensive golf cart. People will buy them by the thousands. American car manufacturers have nothing to sell in this category.
It will be a blood bath.

 

[PeoplesElbow]

I know someone with a Chevy Bolt EV, paid under 20k for it new. They love it, it's a really zippy little thing that actually is a nice looking economy vehicle. Chevy had a hard time practically giving them away though.

 

[glhs837]

BYD launches new Dolphin EV starting under $14K as price war with ICE cars heats up

BYD launched the new Dolphin Honor Edition with more performance, an improved design, and an even lower price tag. The...

electrek.co

An electric car for under $14,000 dollars,. Not for trips but great for a small commute or a trip the the grocer or hardware store.
Of course the price will start out small but pretty soon they will add a lot of BS to the car and run the price up, But imagine this car being built in Mexico and selling for the price of an expensive golf cart. People will buy them by the thousands. American car manufacturers have nothing to sell in this category.
It will be a blood bath.

How To Convert Conflicting EV Range Test Cycles: EPA, WLTP, CLTC

EV range is super important as we push for adoption. However, with various test cycles, it can get quite confusing. Now, you can easily compare conflicting data.

insideevs.com

Take about 35% off of those stated to range numbers.So the long range one ends up around 170 miles. Not sure how traction that gets. Even as a second car.

 

[Tech]

How To Convert Conflicting EV Range Test Cycles: EPA, WLTP, CLTC

EV range is super important as we push for adoption. However, with various test cycles, it can get quite confusing. Now, you can easily compare conflicting data.

insideevs.com

Take about 35% off of those stated to range numbers.So the long range one ends up around 170 miles. Not sure how traction that gets. Even as a second car.

Put an 8' bed and 4 wheel drive on one. Okay to putt around SOMD.

 

[Clem72]

I know someone with a Chevy Bolt EV, paid under 20k for it new. They love it, it's a really zippy little thing that actually is a nice looking economy vehicle. Chevy had a hard time practically giving them away though.

When was that? When I was waiting for the EUV they couldn't keep any of them on the lot. They were charging 6-10k market rate adjustments (depending on the dealer) or even if the dealer agreed to no markup they were only going to let you buy the top trim with all the options. I would have settled for the EV at MSRP. By the time they finally did away with the markups I had moved on and I assume so did everyone else.

 

[Clem72]

BYD launches new Dolphin EV starting under $14K as price war with ICE cars heats up

BYD launched the new Dolphin Honor Edition with more performance, an improved design, and an even lower price tag. The...

electrek.co

An electric car for under $14,000 dollars,. Not for trips but great for a small commute or a trip the the grocer or hardware store.
Of course the price will start out small but pretty soon they will add a lot of BS to the car and run the price up, But imagine this car being built in Mexico and selling for the price of an expensive golf cart. People will buy them by the thousands. American car manufacturers have nothing to sell in this category.
It will be a blood bath.

Looks nice. If it can pass US crash testing with decent scores I would probably buy one (assuming it stayed at or below $20k).

 

[glhs837]

Put an 8' bed and 4 wheel drive on one. Okay to putt around SOMD.

Do that and the range drops to under 150 or less.

When was that? When I was waiting for the EUV they couldn't keep any of them on the lot. They were charging 6-10k market rate adjustments (depending on the dealer) or even if the dealer agreed to no markup they were only going to let you buy the top trim with all the options. I would have settled for the EV at MSRP. By the time they finally did away with the markups I had moved on and I assume so did everyone else.

Chevy's Bolt EV is a steal at under $20,000 using the IRS tax credit upfront

Electric vehicles for under $20,000 are already here. You can score a 2023 Chevy Bolt EV for under $20,000 with...

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[Kyle]

By the time they finally did away with the markups I had moved on and I assume so did everyone else.

they gotta get it while they can.

Standard operating procedure. The price starts out extremely high for all those fool enough to pay it.

once the suckers have been weeded out, the price comes down.

 

[vraiblonde]

Everyone I know who bought an EV was all breathless about it and singing its praises....until they sold it maybe a year later. Why? Because they suck and are a pain in the ass.

 

[RoseRed]

Everyone I know who bought an EV was all breathless about it and singing its praises....until they sold it maybe a year later. Why? Because they suck and are a pain in the ass.

I know someone who still loves hers. I ask every few months if she still does. I'll ask again next week.

 

[PeoplesElbow]

Everyone I know who bought an EV was all breathless about it and singing its praises....until they sold it maybe a year later. Why? Because they suck and are a pain in the ass.

Does this fall into my theory that women don't want to have to plug their car in all the time?

 

[PeoplesElbow]

When was that? When I was waiting for the EUV they couldn't keep any of them on the lot. They were charging 6-10k market rate adjustments (depending on the dealer) or even if the dealer agreed to no markup they were only going to let you buy the top trim with all the options. I would have settled for the EV at MSRP. By the time they finally did away with the markups I had moved on and I assume so did everyone else.

I do believe it was late 2020, maybe 2021. It was before their battery debacle happened. He didn't have an issue, but I believe he got a brand new battery out of the deal.

 

[22AcaciaAve]

Put an 8' bed and 4 wheel drive on one. Okay to putt around SOMD.

How To Convert Conflicting EV Range Test Cycles: EPA, WLTP, CLTC

EV range is super important as we push for adoption. However, with various test cycles, it can get quite confusing. Now, you can easily compare conflicting data.

insideevs.com

Take about 35% off of those stated to range numbers.So the long range one ends up around 170 miles. Not sure how traction that gets. Even as a second car.

That's the problem with anything that is totally battery driven. I bought a Ryobi mower a few years ago. The battery charge timespan was advertised at around 45 minutes. That was about right, maybe even a little more right out of the box. After a couple of years, that timespan runs down to a little under 45 minutes. And then if you are cutting some heavy, damp grass, it cuts down even further. My lawn is about a 40 minute job. So I either run the battery down and wait the hour or so to recharge fully, or I could get another battery so I can switch out and finish it all at once. Problem is the battery alone is about 75% the total cost of the mower!

So the battery operated option is not cheaper and can be a little more inconvenient. My old John Deere mower would get a full cutting to a tank of gas 25 years after I bought it. But it is also a huge load with a steel deck and a Briggs & Stratton engine that weighs about 70 lbs and is tougher pushing up hills. The battery mower was a good trade off because it's all plastic and weighs about 35 lbs less! But it's not as convenient as people make it out to be.

 

[BOP]

BYD launches new Dolphin EV starting under $14K as price war with ICE cars heats up

BYD launched the new Dolphin Honor Edition with more performance, an improved design, and an even lower price tag. The...

electrek.co

An electric car for under $14,000 dollars,. Not for trips but great for a small commute or a trip the the grocer or hardware store.
Of course the price will start out small but pretty soon they will add a lot of BS to the car and run the price up, But imagine this car being built in Mexico and selling for the price of an expensive golf cart. People will buy them by the thousands. American car manufacturers have nothing to sell in this category.
It will be a blood bath.

Be sure and ignore all the ones catching fire and burning down houses. That's a right-wing conspiracy!

 

[PeoplesElbow]

That's the problem with anything that is totally battery driven. I bought a Ryobi mower a few years ago. The battery charge timespan was advertised at around 45 minutes. That was about right, maybe even a little more right out of the box. After a couple of years, that timespan runs down to a little under 45 minutes. And then if you are cutting some heavy, damp grass, it cuts down even further. My lawn is about a 40 minute job. So I either run the battery down and wait the hour or so to recharge fully, or I could get another battery so I can switch out and finish it all at once. Problem is the battery alone is about 75% the total cost of the mower!

So the battery operated option is not cheaper and can be a little more inconvenient. My old John Deere mower would get a full cutting to a tank of gas 25 years after I bought it. But it is also a huge load with a steel deck and a Briggs & Stratton engine that weighs about 70 lbs and is tougher pushing up hills. The battery mower was a good trade off because it's all plastic and weighs about 35 lbs less! But it's not as convenient as people make it out to be.

1. Ryobi, while I have quite a few Ryobi tools, they are cheap and no match for the heavier duty brands.
2. That is why you buy a system, I have an EGO string trimmer, mower, blower, and 400W inverter that plugs onto their batteries with a total of three batteries. I can mow my 1/3 acre on the large battery alone.

The large battery, 7.5 Ahr can be charged in an hours time with the fast charger that came with the mower.

My moms neighbor has the Ryobi mower, he has the same issue you do, he has to split mowing up in morning/afternoon or in two days.

 

[Kyle]

2. That is why you buy a system, I have an EGO string trimmer, mower, blower, and 400W inverter that plugs onto their batteries with a total of three batteries. I can mow my 1/3 acre on the large battery alone.

My moms neighbor has the Ryobi mower, he has the same issue you do, he has to split mowing up in morning/afternoon or in two days.

I didn't get Ryobi or EGO.

I rent the Jesus system.

Lawn cut, edges trimmed, yard clean up all on a single Pedro Energy Pack while I drink a couple beers watching the border crisis on the news.

 

[gemma_rae]

I didn't get Ryobi or EGO.

I rent the Jesus system.

Lawn cut, edges trimmed, yard clean up all on a single Pedro Energy Pack while I drink a couple beers watching the border crisis on the news.

I call that the Jose` and Hose B system.

 

[Clem72]

That's the problem with anything that is totally battery driven. I bought a Ryobi mower a few years ago. The battery charge timespan was advertised at around 45 minutes. That was about right, maybe even a little more right out of the box. After a couple of years, that timespan runs down to a little under 45 minutes. And then if you are cutting some heavy, damp grass, it cuts down even further. My lawn is about a 40 minute job. So I either run the battery down and wait the hour or so to recharge fully, or I could get another battery so I can switch out and finish it all at once. Problem is the battery alone is about 75% the total cost of the mower!

So the battery operated option is not cheaper and can be a little more inconvenient. My old John Deere mower would get a full cutting to a tank of gas 25 years after I bought it. But it is also a huge load with a steel deck and a Briggs & Stratton engine that weighs about 70 lbs and is tougher pushing up hills. The battery mower was a good trade off because it's all plastic and weighs about 35 lbs less! But it's not as convenient as people make it out to be.

I have some 8 year old 80v batteries for my green works stuff (lawn mower, blower, trimmer, snow thrower). Haven't noticed any decline. I do bring them inside the house in the winder because I know freezing temperatures are not good for the batteries.

 

[SamSpade]

I think all the years I lived in the Ranch Club, I had an electric mower.

With an electric cord.

I bought extra long extensions - 50 feet - which I still have, even though I long ditched the mower. One reason of course, is, my lawn is about five times bigger and actually grows grass and not the mix of dirt, weeds and real grass I had in Lusby.

I got pretty used to hurling that cord this way and that to do my lawn.

EVERY battery powered outdoor tool I've used has proven useless before long. My guess is they just don't design them to last for years and years.

 

[Hijinx]

I think all the years I lived in the Ranch Club, I had an electric mower.

With an electric cord.

I bought extra long extensions - 50 feet - which I still have, even though I long ditched the mower. One reason of course, is, my lawn is about five times bigger and actually grows grass and not the mix of dirt, weeds and real grass I had in Lusby.

I got pretty used to hurling that cord this way and that to do my lawn.

EVERY battery powered outdoor tool I've used has proven useless before long. My guess is they just don't design them to last for years and years.

Planned obsolescence