Upcoming Moon Mission

Sneakers

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Just had a thought. What if Musk pre-deployed Starlink satellites into moon orbit before arrival of other missions. Then any other missions would have nearly instantaneous voice, data and even Internet access. Instead of small dishes, space vehicles could be rigged with the same lasers as the satellites. Transmit data to the moon orbit sats. Those sats would be able to communicate to the Earth orbit sats via laser, then to Earth ground stations. Once on the moon, traditional Starlink dishes could be used.

Realtime video and communications, and we could all watch the vehicles as they approached the moon and landed in high definition.
 
SamSpade

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I'm pretty sure you'll still have an approximate 1.28 second delay because of the moon's distance.
 
glhs837

glhs837

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SamSpade said:
I'm pretty sure you'll still have an approximate 1.28 second delay because of the moon's distance.
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Yep. cant beat that...... Yet anyway.

But this is yet another example of everything he's doing serving one goal. Making life multiplanetary. Getting some of humanities eggsd into a few different baskets.

1. Rockets to get there.
2. Tunneling machines to make habitats.
3. EVs to move about once you get there.
4. Sat network to establish comms.
5. Cheap robots for labor.
6. Neuralink to interface with the tech needed to stay alive (and defend against AI).
 
SamSpade

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glhs837 said:
Yep. cant beat that...... Yet anyway.

But this is yet another example of everything he's doing serving one goal. Making life multiplanetary. Getting some of humanities eggsd into a few different baskets.

1. Rockets to get there.
2. Tunneling machines to make habitats.
3. EVs to move about once you get there.
4. Sat network to establish comms.
5. Cheap robots for labor.
6. Neuralink to interface with the tech needed to stay alive (and defend against AI).
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THAT ROCKET landing right on the takeoff platform was one of the most amazing things I have ever seen.

That was like me dropping a pencil and have it stand right on its eraser.
 
RoseRed

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SamSpade said:
THAT ROCKET landing right on the takeoff platform was one of the most amazing things I have ever seen.

That was like me dropping a pencil and have it stand right on its eraser.
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It would be cool to see it flip like a bottle, then land!
 
glhs837

glhs837

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RoseRed said:
It would be cool to see it flip like a bottle, then land!
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Well, not quite that but keep in mind that the second stage, Starship (confusingly, when the Super Heavy first stage and the orbital second stage are stacked, the whole rocket is Starship) will do a long freefall like a skydiver before flipping upright to be caught by the arms as well. Musk said he thinks we might see that event "early in 2025". Heres what it looked like in early testing. This one blew up a short while after landing, but not long after, SN15 did it and survived. But that day was foggy so you cant see the flip. FF to 11:15 for a bit of the free fall then the flip and land. Of course, next time it should end with a tower catch.

 
Clem72

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Sneakers said:
Just had a thought. What if Musk pre-deployed Starlink satellites into moon orbit before arrival of other missions. Then any other missions would have nearly instantaneous voice, data and even Internet access. Instead of small dishes, space vehicles could be rigged with the same lasers as the satellites. Transmit data to the moon orbit sats. Those sats would be able to communicate to the Earth orbit sats via laser, then to Earth ground stations. Once on the moon, traditional Starlink dishes could be used.

Realtime video and communications, and we could all watch the vehicles as they approached the moon and landed in high definition.
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They aren't going to instantly cover the moons surface, so they don't need a constellation of satellites providing coverage where they aren't going. Makes much more sense to have one big dish to provide the maximum reception from moon to earth, and then have a local area network using standard wifi in a "hardened" enclosure or even off the shelf water/weatherproof stuff (I assume if the box is water proof it should be moon dust proof).
 
glhs837

glhs837

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Clem72 said:
They aren't going to instantly cover the moons surface, so they don't need a constellation of satellites providing coverage where they aren't going. Makes much more sense to have one big dish to provide the maximum reception from moon to earth, and then have a local area network using standard wifi in a "hardened" enclosure or even off the shelf water/weatherproof stuff (I assume if the box is water proof it should be moon dust proof).
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Well, not all your resources will be in the same place. so enough sats to provide point to point on the surface and provide a link back to the main laser link to earth orbit. Given the size of the moon and the pretty limited amount of users, might get away with 20-40 sats. Or 15-20 V3 sats.

But according to this, the real problem is that stable lunar orbits are hard to come by, as the moons gravity is relatively variable compared to Earths, owing to Earths and the Sun influence. Not enough that you or I would notice, but enough to make orbits "wobbly.



Guess we will have to towers with LOS laser links for local comms. Maybe build the towers like literal castles out of fused regolith. With an arched cover section over the lasers to reduce mirco meteorite erosion.
 
Sneakers

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I would have been foolish to think I was the only one who thought of this idea. Wouldn't surprise me at all if Musk's teams have been working it for a while.
 
Kyle

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I was hoping to use the moon to construct a Deathstar Battlestation.
 
Clem72

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glhs837 said:
Well, not all your resources will be in the same place. so enough sats to provide point to point on the surface and provide a link back to the main laser link to earth orbit. Given the size of the moon and the pretty limited amount of users, might get away with 20-40 sats. Or 15-20 V3 sats.

But according to this, the real problem is that stable lunar orbits are hard to come by, as the moons gravity is relatively variable compared to Earths, owing to Earths and the Sun influence. Not enough that you or I would notice, but enough to make orbits "wobbly.



Guess we will have to towers with LOS laser links for local comms. Maybe build the towers like literal castles out of fused regolith. With an arched cover section over the lasers to reduce mirco meteorite erosion.
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I guess I don't understand the infatuation with lasers. Radio comms work just fine in space, LTE & 5G tower radios are tried and true and weatherproof and provide speeds in the gigabit ranges and since they are going to be used ON THE MOON they can use whatever the hell frequency ranges they want with 160 or 320mhz channel widths would be no problem (so 20Gbit connections possible).
 
glhs837

glhs837

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Clem72 said:
I guess I don't understand the infatuation with lasers. Radio comms work just fine in space, LTE & 5G tower radios are tried and true and weatherproof and provide speeds in the gigabit ranges and since they are going to be used ON THE MOON they can use whatever the hell frequency ranges they want with 160 or 320mhz channel widths would be no problem (so 20Gbit connections possible).
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Would radio comms be degraded with solar activity?
 
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