Vivek Ramaswamy's News Commentary and Criticism

GURPS

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Vivek Ramaswamy's Second Christmas Crashout






It's the most Indian time of the year, when Vivek Ramaswamy decides to insult Americans and their culture.

This year, Vivek used his speech at Turning Point USA's America Fest to say that America is just an idea, that anyone can become an American, and that "The idea of a 'Heritage American' is about as loony as anything the Woke Left has put up."

But the Founding Fathers would not have recognised Vivek as being as American as apple pie — and neither would Charlie Kirk.
 

GURPS

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You can't just download an American identity




This past week, Vivek Ramaswamy published a New York Times op-ed calling on Republicans to reject the rise of “Groyperism,” the far-right subculture known for its online provocations and racialist politics, thereby sparking a debate about something much larger.1 In the piece, Vivek frames the Right as split between blood-and-soil nationalism and a creedal conception of American identity. He forcefully — and rightly — rejects the former, echoing this message at a Turning Point USA event.

It’s a worthy fight. Vivek’s call for moral clarity in the face of vile bigotry is necessary, and I respect him for taking it on. As others have pointed out, he’s doing more to defend JD Vance’s wife, Usha, against anti-Indian slurs than Vance himself.2 And he’s right to say that some of his critics, especially those who dismiss the Constitution as “just a piece of paper,” are anti-American.

But he’s making a mistake in the way he defines American identity. By defaulting to a thin, purely creedal definition while sidestepping harder questions about culture and assimilation, Vivek offers an answer that is neat on paper but weak in practice. The problem isn’t so much that his definition is wrong as that it is incomplete, leaving a conceptual vacuum that cedes ground to the very forces he wants to isolate. Worse, his approach shuts down conversation rather than inviting honest discussion of one of our most unsettled national questions: What does it mean to be an American?

Here’s his core argument:

Americanness isn’t a scalar quality that varies based on your ancestry. It’s binary: Either you’re an American or you’re not. You are an American if you believe in the rule of law, in freedom of conscience and freedom of expression, in colorblind meritocracy, in the U.S. Constitution, in the American dream, and if you are a citizen who swears exclusive allegiance to our nation.

There are three problems with this framework.

First, Vivek conflates citizenship with identity. Citizenship is binary — we’re all equal under the law, and that matters. But American identity isn’t binary in the same way. America is open to newcomers, but openness doesn’t mean identity arrives fully formed. Americanness isn’t something you can just download. It isn’t a skin-suit you can slip into overnight. It develops over time through language, memory, and participation.

Americanness isn’t something you can just download. It isn’t a skin-suit you can slip into overnight. It develops over time through language, memory, and participation.

Vivek himself is an example. Isn’t it fair to say that his sense of American identity — as a guy born and raised here — is more rooted and developed than that of his immigrant parents? Most people, including Vivek and his family, would likely say yes. You don’t have to buy into the narrow logic of blood-and-soil nationalism to see that identity deepens over time. Most of us know this intuitively, even if we hesitate to say it out loud.

Even by Vivek’s own logic, some would be considered “more American” based on their beliefs. And that brings us to the second flaw in Vivek’s conception of Americanness: a purely creedal definition leads to conceptual dead ends. It’s too thin. It means that someone with centuries of family history in America is less American, by his definition, than a person newly naturalized from Afghanistan who professes to “subscribe to the creed.”

Or consider “colorblind meritocracy,” which is part of Vivek’s definition of Americanness. I also believe it is part of the American way. But what about the millions of Democrats who support DEI and affirmative action, often with decent arguments? Are Joe Biden and Kamala Harris suddenly less American? Is a guy in Hyderabad more American than these Democrats because he supports colorblind meritocracy creed more cleanly? Of course not. This is where creedalism, untethered from culture and place, stops being coherent.

The third and deepest issue with Vivek’s conception of Americanness is that it treats the hardest questions as already settled instead of seriously engaging them. For example, part of his definition is swearing “exclusive allegiance to our nation.” Sure, that sounds nice. But is Vivek truly prepared to follow the logic of that and ban dual citizenship? How would his Jewish donors and supporters feel about that? My mom has dual citizenship with Mexico, which she acquired as an adult. Should she be deported? I would hope not.

I agree with the principle that allegiance matters — that Americanness means putting America first. But Vivek’s treatment of these questions feels designed to appease Reagan-era conservatives rather than address the genuine intellectual issues others — especially younger generations — are wrestling with. His framework treats identity as settled and thereby avoids the hard work of answering how assimilation actually happens or what it even means in today’s America.















I'm really tired of this guy ...
NO Bro YOU ARE NOT AMERICAN you are a brown con artist from a morally bankrupt civilization
 
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GURPS

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"Heritage American" is a term that gained traction in 2025 within certain right-wing, national-conservative, and MAGA circles (including figures like JD Vance and online influencers). It refers to Americans whose ancestry traces back to the country's founding era (colonial period or early settlers), often emphasizing Anglo-Protestant, European-descended roots tied to the "original" American identity, culture, Christianity, and values like self-government and liberty.

Proponents portray it as a celebration of America's historical "core" heritage, contrasting it with the idea of America as a purely "creedal" or propositional nation (open to anyone who shares its ideals, regardless of ancestry). Some definitions include descendants of early settlers, sometimes extending to integrated Native Americans or descendants of enslaved Africans from the Old South, but the focus is typically on white, Anglo-Protestant Europeans.

Critics (including many liberals and some conservatives) view it as a dog whistle for white nationalism or nativism, implying that "real" or "true" Americans are those with deep ancestral ties, often excluding or subordinating immigrants, recent arrivals, or non-European groups. It's sometimes contrasted with the traditional view of American identity as based on ideals rather than bloodlines.

The term isn't mainstream yet but has sparked debate in conservative media and online spaces about what defines American belonging.
 

GURPS

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Vivek's Attack on Heritage Americans​








Vivek is a Brahman a member of the Ruling Caste in India
 

Clem72

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Wait, what is this Heritage American crap, never heard that term before. I'll be the first to say most of the things the left get upset about and call racist are nothing of the sort, but this one quacks like a duck.
 

Monello

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Sure, anyone can become American.

American culture began with protestant Brits. Plymouth Rock, Jamestown and all that. The ground zero of what was to become the American culture. A culture that has landed people on the moon and returned them to earth unharmed. This all came about because 1 president challenged an entire industry with a short fuse deadline of 7 & 1/2 years to achieve that goal.

Begin with the homelands of the founding fathers. Mostly England, Scotland, Ireland and Holland. Make concentric circles around that land. The further away from their, the less likely you will find a culture similar to the original stock of the nation. Sure the French are different from the Brits. But Pierre is a lot closer to George in culture than say Mario or Luigi. And the natal culture of Mahmood or Priya would be light years away from Anglo Saxon mentality.

The same lineage as the US founding fathers have a respectable track record when it comes to nation building. In addition to America, you can add Australia to the list of 1st world nations created by those folks. And say what you want about British colonialism. Everywhere the Brits landed, they improved the conditions in those countries like India, Rhodesia & Hong Kong.

Not all immigrants to America are required to learn to play baseball and eat hot dogs. But it is expected that you won't sh!t in the streets or dispatch of your daughter for talking to Johnny down the street. You can do that all day long in your home country.

Cultures matter. And sorry to say but the space exploring culture is a lot more valuable to mankind than a culture that is willing to kill in the name of its' religion. Americans would prefer to live in peace over having more unsanitary ethnic restaurants or a few hundred thousand uber driver clogging up the roads.

Lee Harvey should have put his cross hairs on a different Kennedy brother. Because Teddy is the author of the reason America has 16% foreign born within its' borders and many of them refuse to assimilate.
 

GURPS

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The same lineage as the US founding fathers have a respectable track record when it comes to nation building. In addition to America, you can add Australia to the list of 1st world nations created by those folks. And say what you want about British colonialism. Everywhere the Brits landed, they improved the conditions in those countries like India, Rhodesia & Hong Kong.




:yay:
 

stgislander

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I don't quite agree. Vivek appears to me to have assimilated into American culture just as I'd expect any other immigrant to. I agree with his assessment of the American educational system and its race to mediocrity. I strongly disagree with his assessment that we need to increase H1B visa to make up for the deficit of skilled white collar workers.
 

GURPS

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I strongly disagree with his assessment that we need to increase H1B visa to make up for the deficit of skilled white collar workers.


Hire one Indian into management and that brings MORE Indians ... Pushing out ' Others ' in favor of Indians ' suddenly ' the company needs MORE H1B Visa Indians


Vivek appears to me to have assimilated into American culture just as I'd expect any other immigrant to.

He is an anchor baby ....
 
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