Voter ID

SamSpade

Well-Known Member
Since it is so easy to hack, then why are the liberals not for it?
Simple. It's an equal opportunity hack. To cheat, you don't just have to be ABLE to cheat - you have to be the keeper of the keys.

As Stalin observed, it's not the votes that count, but who counts the votes. If you control the local election board - as, for instance, in Florida 2000 - you decide how to count the votes.
 

VoteJP

J.P. Cusick
Excellent.

I think we can see the liberal dream -

Universal government health care - and you don't need to show ID.
I have resisted being side-tracked onto this subject, but this is your thread, and it is still an ID issue.

So yes it is an ideal to have universal health care for anyone and for everyone in need, and regardless of whether the person has any ID or not.

The idea that we would deny heath care from any person based on their status or their credentials is a conservative Republican ideal - which is reprehensible and inhuman.

:deadhorse:
 

Rommey

Well-Known Member
That fiasco in 2000 was not based on any individual fraud, and it had no relevance to the thread subject of "Voter ID" and in fact voter ID would not have helped the fraud in 2000 Florida.

The 2000 election is relevant to voter fraud - yes, but not to voter IDs.
You said that 100K "votes simply will not change the outcome of any major election", to which I showed as few as 537 votes would have change the 2000 election. That's not a lot of votes that needed to be fraudulently cast in favor of Gore to have made a difference (that's roughly 8-9 votes in each Florida county; certainly a small amount that could have easily slipped through the system relatively unnoticed.)

At what point do you think there needs to be some sort of positive ID mechanism put in place to ensure fair elections? What the acceptable level of fraud that needs to happen before the government reacts? I feel 1 fraudulent vote is too many. This needs to be a zero tolerance area. Voting is such an integral part of this country that we can't afford to have it doubted as to the legitimacy of our elected officials.
 

SamSpade

Well-Known Member
I have resisted being side-tracked onto this subject, but this is your thread, and it is still an ID issue.
It was a JOKE. I seriously didn't think anyone would think otherwise.

So yes it is an ideal to have universal health care for anyone and for everyone in need, and regardless of whether the person has any ID or not.
I have yet to see a professional medical person who doesn't require some proof of identity - not insurance - identity. Just so, for example, I don't go down to the pharmacy and swipe your painkillers so I can sell them.

Only in a liberal wet dream do we live in a world where everyone in the universe needs to know your identity - except of course the government, and that after we've turned over the entire handling of our lives from cradle to grave. Nothing like entrusting your life and livelihood into the hands of someone who isn't even sure who the hell you are - and idiotically thinks he doesn't NEED to.
 

Toxick

Splat
Only in a liberal wet dream do we live in a world where everyone in the universe needs to know your identity - except of course the government, and that after we've turned over the entire handling of our lives from cradle to grave. Nothing like entrusting your life and livelihood into the hands of someone who isn't even sure who the hell you are - and idiotically thinks he doesn't NEED to.

I often find myself falling into the trap of trying to talk sense into the illlustrious Mr Cusick.

It's just so god-damned tempting to point out the unbelievably mind-numbing chasms in what passes for his supposed logic that it will drive you to distraction if you try to resist.

However, once you succumb to the urge, there is only one solitary productive thing that will ever happen. And that is that at some point you will discover that no matter how irresistable it the gaps are to point out, and how easily it's done - where even the stupidest of mindless cows can see it - the illustrious Mr. Cusick will continue to blindly argue on, stubbornly insisting that there are no gaps in his logic, and that you are, in fact, the foolish one for thinking that they were there in the first place.

It is for this reason that I am solidly convinced that Mr. Cusick is certifiably insane. I do not say this to insult or be hyperbolic. I sincerely believe that his mentis is non-compos maximus, and he should probably be under the supervision of doctors, and not allowed to handle anything more dangerous than a nerf baseball bat. You cannot argue with a madman and expect to convince him of anything other than his own superiority and sanity.
 

VoteJP

J.P. Cusick
Excellent.

I have yet to see a professional medical person who doesn't require some proof of identity - not insurance - identity. Just so, for example, I don't go down to the pharmacy and swipe your painkillers so I can sell them.
I can not remember ever being asked by a Doctor or receptionist or Nurse for my ID.

The Insurance card yes but not my ID.

Even Pharmacies have never asked me for my ID, and we can pick up prescriptions for other people without showing any ID.

I truly do have long running health problems so I have been to many different Doctors and Pharmacies and I do not remember ever showing my ID.

:shrug:
 

Toxick

Splat
I can not remember ever being asked by a Doctor or receptionist or Nurse for my ID.

The Insurance card yes but not my ID.

Even Pharmacies have never asked me for my ID, and we can pick up prescriptions for other people without showing any ID.

I truly do have long running health problems so I have been to many different Doctors and Pharmacies and I do not remember ever showing my ID.

:shrug:


You've never bought narcotic medicine from a pharmacy then. Talking about oxycodone, percocets... that type of thing.

They require ID for those.


I'm not asking if you agree. I'm telling you a fact.
 

VoteJP

J.P. Cusick
Excellent.

You've never bought narcotic medicine from a pharmacy then. Talking about oxycodone, percocets... that type of thing.

They require ID for those.

I'm not asking if you agree. I'm telling you a fact.
You are not correct in any of your claims.

And one time when I was in the SMC Hospital my brother took my pain medication prescription to a Pharmacy and had if filled for me, and his name or his ID are not the same as mine whether he showed his ID or not.

Of course my medical insurance card is a type of ID, but it only has my name on it and no picture or birth date or anything to really identify the person on the card.

You are not giving a "fact" as you are just presenting your own limited opinion as if it were a "fact" when it is not.

:popcorn:
 

Toxick

Splat
You are not giving a "fact" as you are just presenting your own limited opinion as if it were a "fact" when it is not.

It's not an opinion.

It's a fact.



I was on oxycodone for a year. Every single time I filled a prescription I had to show my ID.


Every. Single. Time.

It is not "my opinion" that I had to show my ID. I HAD to show my ID or I didn't get the medicine. Period. Twice I forgot my ID. Twice I had to shake my sore ass home to get it before I could have my medicine.

If you don't believe me you can go piss up a rope.
 

VoteJP

J.P. Cusick
Excellent.

It's not an opinion.

It's a fact.

I was on oxycodone for a year. Every single time I filled a prescription I had to show my ID.

Every. Single. Time.

It is not "my opinion" that I had to show my ID. I HAD to show my ID or I didn't get the medicine. Period. Twice I forgot my ID. Twice I had to shake my sore ass home to get it before I could have my medicine.

If you don't believe me you can go xxxxx up a rope.
I believe you, and maybe you are on some watch list? as I do not know why they check you, or maybe your insurance requires an ID?

As for me then I can not remember ever (as in never ever) showing my ID to a Doctor office or to any Pharmacy.

The Dew Drop Inn did one time ask for my ID and in that I was surprised.

:buddies:
 

Toxick

Splat
I believe you, and maybe you are on some watch list? as I do not know why they check you, or maybe your insurance requires an ID?
I'm quite certain that I'm not on any watch lists, as I've never done anything that would warrant such a thing. I am, however, aware that there are laws in place that are there to prevent things such as fraud and abuse when it comes to controlled substances like oxycodone.

As for me then I can not remember ever (as in never ever) showing my ID to a Doctor office or to any Pharmacy.
And I believe that you do not remember ever showing your ID to a doctor office or any pharmacy.
 
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EmptyTimCup

Guest
SamSpade said:
I'm not totally sure about how "fool proof" an electronic balloting system is, either. Any system I know of has been shown to be able to be cheated - if the people minding the store don't care about keeping it honest..

Electronic have 'tracking' issues as well
 

bcp

In My Opinion
Electronic have 'tracking' issues as well
there is NO sure fire way to have a totally perfect method of voting. As long as someone is counting, that count is subject to fraud.
even if you and I both walk in together, cast our vote, then walk out, we dont know for sure who either one voted for.

the count itself could be corrupt
 

direxpgw

Member
haha

I often find myself falling into the trap of trying to talk sense into the illlustrious Mr Cusick.

It's just so god-damned tempting to point out the unbelievably mind-numbing chasms in what passes for his supposed logic that it will drive you to distraction if you try to resist.

However, once you succumb to the urge, there is only one solitary productive thing that will ever happen. And that is that at some point you will discover that no matter how irresistable it the gaps are to point out, and how easily it's done - where even the stupidest of mindless cows can see it - the illustrious Mr. Cusick will continue to blindly argue on, stubbornly insisting that there are no gaps in his logic, and that you are, in fact, the foolish one for thinking that they were there in the first place.

It is for this reason that I am solidly convinced that Mr. Cusick is certifiably insane. I do not say this to insult or be hyperbolic. I sincerely believe that his mentis is non-compos maximus, and he should probably be under the supervision of doctors, and not allowed to handle anything more dangerous than a nerf baseball bat. You cannot argue with a madman and expect to convince him of anything other than his own superiority and sanity.



Was actually on floor laughing at this for awhile. Too funny.
 

SamSpade

Well-Known Member
You've never bought narcotic medicine from a pharmacy then. Talking about oxycodone, percocets... that type of thing.

They require ID for those.


I'm not asking if you agree. I'm telling you a fact.
No kidding. I've talked to pharmacists about that, too. They've even gone so far as to explain just what people can make out of simple things like ADD medication. My doctors have also explained that's the reason they can never prescribe more than 30 day's worth.

But imagine if we live in a world where prescriptions like that require NO ID - then I can just traipse down to the pharmacy where JP gets all his medications, buy them and he has nothing.
 

Gilligan

#*! boat!
PREMO Member
But imagine if we live in a world where prescriptions like that require NO ID - then I can just traipse down to the pharmacy where JP gets all his medications, buy them and he has nothing.
I would call that act "a very valuable public service".
 

VoteJP

J.P. Cusick
Excellent.

Maybe Ill say Im JPC and vote since i dont need an ID.
There is a point here that it is easy to catch any such voter fraud if a person claims to be some other voter because it is quickly and easily exposed.

So if the above poster or anyone voted claiming to be me - then when I came in to vote then the fraud would be caught. And then they would have finger prints and possibly video cameras and eye witnesses to catch the person who did the fraud. And it would still be only one (1) vote and one vote makes virtually no difference at all. And even if some one like "czygvtwkr" did come in to vote 3 or 4 times then it would take all day long and they would be recognized, and doing 4 or 20 or 100 fraudulent votes are not likely to make any real difference in any election.

The individual person doing a voter fraud is a super minor issue, but making an ID law which would exclude thousands of voters in every voting area would be the real fraud.
 
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