desertrat
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Oo, oww ouch, nuhh!
Weapons cache?
- Thread starter Novus Collectus
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Felons lose rights when they commit serious crimes. They can't vote either!
There are plenty of things minors are not allowed to do because they are not adults. I don't think a 16 year old should be allowed to own a gun. Use with adult supervision yes, but until they are adults and legally responsible for themselves they should not be able to purchase one on their own.
Novus Collectus
New Member
Felons cannot buy rifles or handguns by federal law. They cannot posses rifles or handguns that have ever travelled over state lines or were made with products trasported over state lines.
A felon could theoretically make their own rifle and handgun and his own ammo from materials that never crossed state lines to avoid the federal law, but almost every, if not all, states disallow the possession of handguns and rifles by felons as well.
The exceptions are if felons get special permission from the state to posses rifles and handguns. This usually involves either pardons or sealed records, but it is possible.
SOme states also forbid the possession of antique firearms and muzzloading firearms by felons, but the feds do not because the feds never regulated possession of those types of firearms.
Chain729
CageKicker Extraordinaire
With a hunting licence, they are legally responsible. Legally, a 16 year old kid can pack up his/her/its shotgun and go hunting all by him/her/itsself. So, if they can do that, why can't they buy their own ammo or gun?
Because they are still kids. I know, not every minor is the same, but there are things they must have parental consent/supervision for. If they can't put a car in their own name until they are 18 then a gun should be no different. Doesn't mean mom or dad can't buy them stuff to go hunting with.
Novus Collectus
New Member
There is no minimum age by state law if the have a hunter safety certificate for the possession, use or ownership of a non-regulated long gun. Without a hunter safety certificate they must have adult supervision when around an accessible and loaded firearm when under 16.
Caounty and local laws may be more restrictive in some cases.
They have to be 21 in MD unless they have over 21 adult's supervision or unless they have a carry permit or are a police officer or in the military.
There is also an exception for those under 21 using or possesing a handgun or regulated long gun for defense of the home.
Novus Collectus
New Member
In MD the 20 round limit applies to both handguns and rifles as well as shotguns.
Federally the ten round ban was for all detachable mags be it for handgun or rifle.
MMDad
Lem Putt
Bad analogy - if you get enough tickets, or a serious enough ticket, you lose the "privelege" to drive. You never had a "right" to drive in the first place. I know someone who had a lifetime revocation of her drivers license in another state, so it is possible.
The lifelong penalties associated with the crime are part of the punishment. Losing the right to own firearms, right to vote, SOR registration, probation, a record that will always be there, the social stigma, etc. Sorry, but do your time and all is forgiven is just not the way it is, and it isn't what our society has decided it wants.
I can see how it could be considered an infringement of your right to bear arms though. The second amendment is pretty clear with the "shall not be infringed" part. Interesting to think about, but I'm not about to fight for felon's rights as long as law abiding citizens are denied their rights.
itsbob
I bowl overhand
Define OWN a gun..
I bought my first gun at the age of 16 THROUGH a government program called DCM.. Paid cash for it ($80), and put it my car, and drove home..
Or do you mean a gun should not be in a house that has minors in it?
ie.. Dad buys a gun for the child to use, does that mean the child "owns" it? Dad buys a gun and the child knows where it is and knows how to access it, does that mean the child is one of the "owners"? Or the child goes to a gunstore plops $150 on the counter and walks out with an AKS?
I used to own several weapons as a "child".. I had two .22s, a remington plinker with a tubular magazine that held 20 - 30 rounds(long or shorts), a Christmas present form Mom and Dad when I was 12 or 13.. and a competition Remington single shot with iron peep sights (the gun mentioned above that I bought myself after using it as my own for two seasons), a .30 - .06, and for some reason I'm drawing a blank on the fourth rifle.. What was funny, I bought and paid for the .22 myself, I could buy ammnition for the .30-.06 but NOT the .22.
When I was 14, 15 & 16 I carried my gun(s) on the school bus and into school and put them in my locker. I don't remember many(read ANY) gun crimes on school campus back then, maybe I'm wrong but i don't remember any..
Now that we have stringent gun laws on school grounds (I'd go to jail for a LOOONG time for doing what I did in High School) we have almost weekly gun crimes on campus.. No more guns on school grounds, no more rifle or pistol teams, no more gun training.. and the incidences increase..
Hmmm, doesn't take a rocket scientist now does it??
Jeez did you read alot into one friggin sentance.Define OWN a gun..
A 16 year old should not be able to buy a gun. Mom and dad can buy them one to use for hunting. What part of "parents should have say over their kids" is not coming thru here?
And what school did you go to that you felt the need to carry a gun with you? Holy crap!
pcjohnnyb
New Member
Meh, still happens. friend of mine had a shotgun in his truck everyday going to class...he also didn't bring it inside but i wouldn't have seen it as a problem 60 years ago if he did
My HS boyfriend had his in his truck but never brought it in. It was there because he hunted and no one could see it. But why would someone bring a gun to school on the bus with them? I never felt the need and I grew up in District Heights!
Larry Gude
Strung Out
Larry Gude
Strung Out
I know...
...but the argument is if they have paid their debt, they should they or should they not return to full citizenship? If not, then they haven't paid their dept. Right?
...but the argument is if they have paid their debt, they should they or should they not return to full citizenship? If not, then they haven't paid their dept. Right?
MMDad
Lem Putt
He was bullied in Middle school. That's why he was pulled out and homeschooled. He didn't leave the resentments behind when he left the public schools.
Novus Collectus
New Member
Schools used to have rifle marksmanship clubs and classes and also a lot of kids back in the old days would go hunting after school, especially out in the country.
MMDad
Lem Putt
Right, a felon has never paid their debt in full in most states. That's the way our society wants it.
Larry Gude
Strung Out
Where to start?
Also, yeah, society says it wants it this why but society used to want slavery. That's where the Constitution is supposed to come in; to protect the inalienable rights and impose inviolable limits on government regardless of what the mob wants.
I think it is a good analogy because it illustrates that you CAN earn your driving privileges back plus, as you point it, driving is a privilege, keep and bear is a right.
Also, yeah, society says it wants it this why but society used to want slavery. That's where the Constitution is supposed to come in; to protect the inalienable rights and impose inviolable limits on government regardless of what the mob wants.
MMDad
Lem Putt
Supposed to, yes. Unfortunately, we all know that isn't what our country has become.