atleast know a little about the topic at hand before making dumbass statements.
Not if it's #4 buck.
...aimed level at 85 yards and a couple of pellets hit a bowling pin sized target.
...the second half:
...I did specify that it was only a couple of pellets. I made no claim that it would be effective.
...that you are. I read the link and it was about effective range and I just wanted to clarify that I wasn't suggesting anyone consider a shotgun at a 100 yards or so. I was actually surprised that any of the pellets hit such a small target at that range. Best one could hope for is to use it as suppressing fire moving to cover. Maybe put a bad guys eye out!
a 20 grain, .25 caliber spherical lead ball leaving the muzzle at about 1,200 ft per second is not something I would want to be hit with at 100 yards. Might not kill me, but I bet it would hurt....that you are. I read the link and it was about effective range and I just wanted to clarify that I wasn't suggesting anyone consider a shotgun at a 100 yards or so. I was actually surprised that any of the pellets hit such a small target at that range. Best one could hope for is to use it as suppressing fire moving to cover. Maybe put a bad guys eye out!
...sorry about. Whitman is his huge anomaly, in a free nation mind you, of horrific gun violence, when their were virtually no anti gun laws and now we have numerous incidences WITH numerous anti gun laws.
...shotgun pellet still going 1200 fps at 85 yards.
The context was high schools or middles schools, not universities. The gun bans in public primary schools did not occur after primary school shootings, they occurred before the first one by a student was perpetrated.
No, a spherical projectile loses velocity very fast in a short distance, but I wouldn't want to get hit with one going 1,200 ft/s, nor would I want to get hit by a .25" ball going 500 ft/s (I don't know the velocity and that is just an example).
...no. I wouldn't want to get hit with anything. I don't even remember why it came up at this point. The couple of pellets that hit took off the fresh count of paint and splattered a bit. I would think that it would break the skin at that range. That's why I was saying I could see using it for suppressing fire but certainly not gonna kill or disable anyone with a shotgun at that distance.
Agreed with him being an anomaly, NO gun laws and having NO gun laws would have made no difference that day.. No gun law would have prevented him from doing what he did, and having the right to carry wouldn't have done anything either.. All you would have done by returning fire from the sidewalk with a sidearm is help him determine who his next victim was going to be.
There were five people in the tower before he started shooting that could have stopped him if they had been carrying a handgun, including the receptionist he beat to death with a gun butt.
Oops, maybe I'm remembering the wrong event, or remembering the event wrong? It was after all before my time. I thought he just went to the top of a bell tower and started shooting.. similar to the tower on the college I went to..
The answer is, I don't know, and neither does the criminal that is planning on shooting up the place..