What the Public doesn't understand about our FBI

3CATSAILOR

Well-Known Member
I have been at the FBI Academy many times. They are hard working folks. Just like our Sheriff's Office or State Police, they do their best to protect us 24/7 365 days a year. Unforunately on the political top level as some like to call it there have some concerns of the agency being weaponized. If this is true, any rank and file agent would have to follow the orders of their superiors. Otherwise, they would be transfered or at worse fired. There are thosuands of agents across the Nation and in some cases in other Countries. They are the primary Federal Law Enforcement agency of our Government; although our government has multiple other Federal Law Enforcement agencies. The FBI is known by the public for their Bank Robbery investigations as seen on countless TV shows, movies and the media. However, they investigate countless other Federal violations such as Cyber Crime and WMD concerns just to name a few. 99.99% of these folks are the best of the best. The odds of meeting a FBI agent is highly unlikely for most of the general public. However, if you do see an agent, we all should always show our support and gratitude in any way we can.
 
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SamSpade

Well-Known Member
The FBI was originally run for decades by a psycho who privately wore women's clothes. People in the White House FEARED J. Edgar more than anyone in America. He spied on American citizens - like MLK - because he didn't like them.

I don't doubt that THAT kind of crap persists. For one thing, I have NEVER liked the way they threaten mostly innocent people with jail if they don't cooperate - or LIE - and then hold the LIE against them. I wish I had a nickel for every person in these investigations who were injured and tried for process crimes, because the FBI told someone "if you don't say THIS, we'll go after your son/wife/mom for THIS" - and then they HAVE them for lying.

I can't remember what movie I saw, but it had a line my wife and I concurred with - "the FBI *manages* crime, they don't solve it". They're totally willing to let a lot of low-hanging fruit go free to get the big cheese. When they choose to wait for a CNN crew to arrive with cameras to raid a home in full riot gear to arrest a man who would have gone quietly - and did - they're acting politically.

SOONER or later, someone may stand up and say, sorry sir, but that's wrong and I won't do it.
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
or LIE - and then hold the LIE against them.




Inside the FBI’s infiltration and entrapment of a Michigan militia crew


The FBI got walloped last week when a Michigan jury concluded that the bureau had entrapped two men accused of plotting to kidnap Gov. Gretchen Whitmer. Those men and others were arrested a few weeks before the 2020 election in a high-profile, FBI-fabricated case that Joe Biden claimed showed President Trump’s “tolerance of hate, vengeance, and lawlessness to plots such as this one.” But the jury verdict exposes how the feds have created the monsters they parade to vindicate their vast power over Americans.


A Federal Jury Delivers a Rebuke of FBI Entrapment



"Through confidential sources, undercover agents, and clandestine recordings," the Justice Department announced in October 2020, "law enforcement learned particular individuals were planning to kidnap" Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer and "acting in furtherance of that plan." But it turned out those individuals included the government's "confidential sources," who pushed the half-baked scheme and orchestrated acts "in furtherance of that plan" even when the defendants resisted it.

The appearance of entrapment, coupled with the difficulty of distinguishing between fantasy and criminal conspiracy, explains the embarrassing outcome of a federal trial that ended last week, when jurors acquitted two alleged conspirators and failed to reach verdicts for the other two. It was a well-deserved rebuke of investigative methods that crossed the line between prevention and invention.


Judge orders release of three of ‘Newburgh four’ and accuses FBI of ‘trolling for terrorists’



Three men convicted in a post-9/11 terrorism sting were ordered freed from prison by a judge who deemed their lengthy sentences “unduly harsh and unjust” and decried the role of the FBI in radicalizing them in a plot to blow up New York synagogues and shoot down national guard planes.

Onta Williams, David Williams and Laguerre Payen – three of the men known as the “Newburgh four” – were “hapless, easily manipulated and penurious petty criminals” caught up more than a decade ago in a scheme driven by overzealous FBI agents and a dodgy informant, US district judge Colleen McMahon said on Thursday.





Did a Mentally Challenged Teenager Just Become the Victim of an FBI Entrapment Scheme?

he Department of Justice waited to arrest alleged terrorist Mateo Ventura until he turned 18 — after two years of contact with the FBI. On Thursday, a federal judge determined the teen should undergo mental health treatment.

Ventura’s family claimed he suffers from brain development issues as a result of being born prematurely. His father claimed a neurosurgery evaluation confirmed that his brain is underdeveloped. According to his father, Ventura also faced relentless bullying in school.


FBI make-work entrapment schemes: Creating criminals in order to arrest them


he government’s henchmen have become the embodiment of how power, once acquired, can be so easily corrupted and abused. Indeed, far from being tough on crime, FBI agents are also among the nation’s most notorious lawbreakers.

Whether the FBI is planting undercover agents in churches, synagogues and mosques; issuing fake emergency letters to gain access to Americans’ phone records; using intimidation tactics to silence Americans who are critical of the government, or persuading impressionable individuals to plot acts of terror and then entrapping them, the overall impression of the nation’s secret police force is that of a well-dressed thug, flexing its muscles and doing the boss’ dirty work.

Clearly, this is not a government agency that appears to understand, let alone respect, the limits of the Constitution.

Indeed, this same government agency has a pattern and practice of entrapment that involves targeting vulnerable individuals, feeding them with the propaganda, know-how and weapons intended to turn them into terrorists, and then arresting them as part of an elaborately orchestrated counterterrorism sting.

Basically, it works like this: in order to justify their crime-fighting superpowers, the FBI manufactures criminals by targeting vulnerable individuals and feeding them anti-government propaganda; then, undercover agents and informants equip the targeted individuals with the training and resources to challenge what they’ve been indoctrinated into believing is government corruption; and finally, the FBI arrests the targeted individuals for engaging in anti-government, terrorist activities.

This is what passes for the government’s perverse idea of being tough on crime.



Fake terror plots, paid informants: the tactics of FBI 'entrapment' questioned


The Anatomy of a Federal Terrorism Prosecution: A Blueprint for Repression and Entrapment

 

3CATSAILOR

Well-Known Member

Inside the FBI’s infiltration and entrapment of a Michigan militia crew


The FBI got walloped last week when a Michigan jury concluded that the bureau had entrapped two men accused of plotting to kidnap Gov. Gretchen Whitmer. Those men and others were arrested a few weeks before the 2020 election in a high-profile, FBI-fabricated case that Joe Biden claimed showed President Trump’s “tolerance of hate, vengeance, and lawlessness to plots such as this one.” But the jury verdict exposes how the feds have created the monsters they parade to vindicate their vast power over Americans.


A Federal Jury Delivers a Rebuke of FBI Entrapment



"Through confidential sources, undercover agents, and clandestine recordings," the Justice Department announced in October 2020, "law enforcement learned particular individuals were planning to kidnap" Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer and "acting in furtherance of that plan." But it turned out those individuals included the government's "confidential sources," who pushed the half-baked scheme and orchestrated acts "in furtherance of that plan" even when the defendants resisted it.

The appearance of entrapment, coupled with the difficulty of distinguishing between fantasy and criminal conspiracy, explains the embarrassing outcome of a federal trial that ended last week, when jurors acquitted two alleged conspirators and failed to reach verdicts for the other two. It was a well-deserved rebuke of investigative methods that crossed the line between prevention and invention.


Judge orders release of three of ‘Newburgh four’ and accuses FBI of ‘trolling for terrorists’



Three men convicted in a post-9/11 terrorism sting were ordered freed from prison by a judge who deemed their lengthy sentences “unduly harsh and unjust” and decried the role of the FBI in radicalizing them in a plot to blow up New York synagogues and shoot down national guard planes.

Onta Williams, David Williams and Laguerre Payen – three of the men known as the “Newburgh four” – were “hapless, easily manipulated and penurious petty criminals” caught up more than a decade ago in a scheme driven by overzealous FBI agents and a dodgy informant, US district judge Colleen McMahon said on Thursday.





Did a Mentally Challenged Teenager Just Become the Victim of an FBI Entrapment Scheme?

he Department of Justice waited to arrest alleged terrorist Mateo Ventura until he turned 18 — after two years of contact with the FBI. On Thursday, a federal judge determined the teen should undergo mental health treatment.

Ventura’s family claimed he suffers from brain development issues as a result of being born prematurely. His father claimed a neurosurgery evaluation confirmed that his brain is underdeveloped. According to his father, Ventura also faced relentless bullying in school.


FBI make-work entrapment schemes: Creating criminals in order to arrest them


he government’s henchmen have become the embodiment of how power, once acquired, can be so easily corrupted and abused. Indeed, far from being tough on crime, FBI agents are also among the nation’s most notorious lawbreakers.

Whether the FBI is planting undercover agents in churches, synagogues and mosques; issuing fake emergency letters to gain access to Americans’ phone records; using intimidation tactics to silence Americans who are critical of the government, or persuading impressionable individuals to plot acts of terror and then entrapping them, the overall impression of the nation’s secret police force is that of a well-dressed thug, flexing its muscles and doing the boss’ dirty work.

Clearly, this is not a government agency that appears to understand, let alone respect, the limits of the Constitution.

Indeed, this same government agency has a pattern and practice of entrapment that involves targeting vulnerable individuals, feeding them with the propaganda, know-how and weapons intended to turn them into terrorists, and then arresting them as part of an elaborately orchestrated counterterrorism sting.

Basically, it works like this: in order to justify their crime-fighting superpowers, the FBI manufactures criminals by targeting vulnerable individuals and feeding them anti-government propaganda; then, undercover agents and informants equip the targeted individuals with the training and resources to challenge what they’ve been indoctrinated into believing is government corruption; and finally, the FBI arrests the targeted individuals for engaging in anti-government, terrorist activities.

This is what passes for the government’s perverse idea of being tough on crime.



Fake terror plots, paid informants: the tactics of FBI 'entrapment' questioned


The Anatomy of a Federal Terrorism Prosecution: A Blueprint for Repression and Entrapment

"If" this is actually the case, it is the smallest of drops in a bucket out of thousands of Agents across the Globe.
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
"If" this is actually the case, it is the smallest of drops in a bucket out of thousands of Agents across the Globe.

What are you trying to say ?

Entrapment doesn't matter because there are 1000's of agents ?

This is not the only case where an FBI CI shows up and starts pushing some group of whiners to ' take some action '
 

3CATSAILOR

Well-Known Member
What are you trying to say ?

Entrapment doesn't matter because there are 1000's of agents ?

This is not the only case where an FBI CI shows up and starts pushing some group of whiners to ' take some action '
If there are agents which have violated the law, they would be referred to OPR (Office of Professional Responsibility).
 
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