Whats wrong with this picture ?

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If you look closely at the picture above, you will note that all the Marines pictured are bowing their heads. That's because they're praying.

This incident took place at a recent ceremony honoring the birthday of the corps, and it has the ACLU up in arms. "These are federal employees," says Lucius Traveler, a spokesman for the ACLU, "on federal property and on federal time. For them to pray is clearly an establishment of religion, and we must nip this in the bud immediately."

When asked about the ACLU's charges, Colonel Jack Fessender, speaking for the Commandant of the Corps said (cleaned up a bit), "Screw the ACLU." GOD Bless Our Warriors, Send the ACLU to France.

Please send this to people you know so everyone will know how stupid the ACLU is Getting in trying to remove GOD from everything and every place in America. May God Bless America, One Nation Under GOD!


What's wrong with the picture? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING

 

[CableChick]

http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/marines.asp

 

[BuddyLee]

http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/marines.asp

 

[gumbo]

http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/marines.asp

Lies and propaganda on the Internet...I thought that was just a Forums thing

StarCat sent it to me....

 

[Bustem' Down]

I'm an aetheist but when ever the chaplin says a prayer I always bow my head. 1) it's just polite, and it doesn't hurt me none. 2) I actually think that it's a military regulation that you have to bow your head for a prayer if your in ranks. I'll double check on that.


The Muslums and Jews on my ship bowed thier heads too. and we had a Lutheren Chaplin.

 

[fttrsbeerwench]

This makes me madder than he!!....

What exactly is the purpose for the ACLU?? Is this their only arguement? Are they even bothering to work and protect the "rights" of Americans?

 

[Nickel]

This makes me madder than he!!....

What exactly is the purpose for the ACLU?? Is this their only arguement? Are they even bothering to work and protect the "rights" of Americans?

http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/marines.asp

 

[fttrsbeerwench]

I got that...
But it seems like every time you turn around, the ACLU is whining about this prayer thing...

I think their time would be much better spent actually helping people..

 

[Tonio]

Thanks for the Snopes link.

Anyone who would see that Marines photo as a First Amendment violation misses the point. I suspect in that photo, each Marine is praying to his own deity or deities, and that's great. It's a shame that the Air Force, particularly the Air Force Academy, couldn't have followed the Marines' example. It came out last year that evangelical Christianity was dominating the academy. Evangelical cadets were getting preferential treatment, and chaplains were telling non-Christian cadets that they were doomed to hell. That outaged me because the men and women at our service academies, no matter what their religion, will risk their lives for our country.

 

[2ndAmendment]

I got that...
But it seems like every time you turn around, the ACLU is whining about this prayer thing...

I think their time would be much better spent actually helping people..

The ACLU is for anything that is anti-establishment. In my opinion, they are a bunch of hippies (I was a "hippie", but I grew up.) or hippie-want-to-bes that just want to over anything that has been "good and wholesome" in the United States. I really think that they are socialist or communist promoters.

 

[Tonio]

The ACLU is for anything that is anti-establishment. In my opinion, they are a bunch of hippies (I was a "hippie", but I grew up.) or hippie-want-to-bes that just want to over anything that has been "good and wholesome" in the United States. I really think that they are socialist or communist promoters.

You have valid concerns about the ACLU, although I believe that the definition of "good and wholesome" is very subjective. No religion has a monoply on "good and wholesome." In my view, it wasn't "good and wholesome" for public schools to have forced prayer, which was the case before Epperson v. Arkansas. But the alternative to forcing prayer is not to ban all school prayer, as the ACLU wants, but to let students pray on their own.

 

[SunDog]

You have valid concerns about the ACLU, although I believe that the definition of "good and wholesome" is very subjective. No religion has a monoply on "good and wholesome." In my view, it wasn't "good and wholesome" for public schools to have forced prayer, which was the case before Epperson v. Arkansas. But the alternative to forcing prayer is not to ban all school prayer, as the ACLU wants, but to let students pray on their own.

Forced prayer? I missed that day in school... when i was in school they had a prayer if you wanted to step out of the room that was your choice. and the same for the pledge if you didnt want to say it you stay in your seat
What is the differance between what they were doing back then to the people who believed in evolution and what they are doing now to christians? now all we need is an "anti-christian" bill


U.S. Supreme Court
EPPERSON v. ARKANSAS, 393 U.S. 97 (1968)
EPPERSON ET AL. v. ARKANSAS.
APPEAL FROM THE SUPREME COURT OF ARKANSAS.
No. 7.
Argued October 16, 1968.
Decided November 12, 1968.

Appellant Epperson, an Arkansas public school teacher, brought this action for declaratory and injunctive relief challenging the constitutionality of Arkansas' "anti-evolution" statute. That statute makes it unlawful for a teacher in any state-supported school or university to teach or to use a textbook that teaches "that mankind ascended or descended from a lower order of animals." The State Chancery Court held the statute an abridgment of free speech violating the First and Fourteenth Amendments. The State Supreme Court, expressing no opinion as to whether the statute prohibits "explanation" of the theory or only teaching that the theory is true, reversed the Chancery Court. In a two-sentence opinion it sustained the statute as within the State's power to specify the public school curriculum. Held: The statute violates the Fourteenth Amendment, which embraces the First Amendment's prohibition of state laws respecting an establishment of religion. Pp. 102-109

 

[Tonio]

Forced prayer? I missed that day in school... when i was in school they had a prayer if you wanted to step out of the room that was your choice. and the same for the pledge if you didnt want to say it you stay in your seat

U.S. Supreme Court
EPPERSON v. ARKANSAS, 393 U.S. 97 (1968)

Sorry, I had a major brain fart. I meant [size=-1]Engel v. Vitale, which said that state-mandated prayer in public schools was unconstitutional. "Forced" is a strong word, but it represents how I personally feel when a teacher explicitly pushes a specific religion on students. I've said before that nothing about Engel v. Vitale forbids students from praying on their own to whatever deity or deities they worship.

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What is the differance between what they were doing back then to the people who believed in evolution and what they are doing now to christians? now all we need is an "anti-christian" bill.

Evolution is religion-neutral and is certainly not anti-Christian, so I don't think your description is accurate. As I said in other threads, the origin of life and the purpose of life are two different questions. I acknowledge that fundamentalist Christians believe that evolution goes against a literal reading of the Bible.

 

[OrneryPest]

I'm an aetheist but when ever the chaplin says a prayer I always bow my head. 1) it's just polite, and it doesn't hurt me none. 2) I actually think that it's a military regulation that you have to bow your head for a prayer if your in ranks. I'll double check on that.


The Muslums and Jews on my ship bowed thier heads too. and we had a Lutheren Chaplin.

I understand your sentiment. I'm a regular church participant who disbelieves most of our dogmatic hogwash, and I've often been accused of being an atheist fraudulently "doing church" just to suck up an undeserved dose of salvation.

When I'm in church, I participate in our ritual because I enjoy it. Whenever I'm somewhere else, I do whatever it takes to show respect for my fellow participants.

And when I'm at loose in the public domain, I speak my own mind, as our Constitution gaurantees me the right to do so.

Oh by the way, a bit o' th' green comin' your way!

 

[2ndAmendment]

I understand your sentiment. I'm a regular church participant who disbelieves most of our dogmatic hogwash, and I've often been accused of being an atheist fraudulently "doing church" just to suck up an undeserved dose of salvation.

When I'm in church, I participate in our ritual because I enjoy it. Whenever I'm somewhere else, I do whatever it takes to show respect for my fellow participants.

And when I'm at loose in the public domain, I speak my own mind, as our Constitution gaurantees me the right to do so.

Oh by the way, a bit o' th' green comin' your way!

Ever read this?

Revelation 3:16 'So because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of My mouth.