But ..how would you ever know, paste-eater? You have me on "ignore".
When is "N***** in the White House" NOT racist?
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I won't vote for him due to the items I bold'ed. And if you noticed, I didn't just cut and paste certain parts of that section, I posted the entire section and let others make up their own mind so I wasn't trying to hide anything. I saw his fiscal issues, but that is not enough to make me want to vote for someone.Your problem is that you think republican means telling people how to live their lives and exerting military force over foreign entities. You aren't alone, that is what the right has become.
Having said that I'm not surprised that a self-proclaimed 'informed voter' would need to research Gary Johnson
Even though your research is only wiki, lets pretend its gospel and talk it out.
Go back and read that paragraph on fiscal conservative and explain why you wouldn't vote for a guy with a record of cutting taxes 14 times as governor. How is balancing the federal budget a bad thing?
I see his Medicare plan as a great idea. What is the problem, these are the hard decisions that have to be made if you are going to do more than play lip service to fiscal responsibility. You should research his welfare position...
I dont see anything liberal about staying the #### out of other countries business and ending this ridiculous democracy building period we have embarked on. Again, cuts to the military, research, and EVERYTHING will need to happen if we ever want to get out of the hole.
Please explain how Johnson stance on Israel is 'liberal'
That last part is about Johnson supporting civil liberties. How is that a problem? We are talking about rights here, and Johnson supports the rights guaranteed in the constitution, all of them, not just he ones you agree with. He also agrees with letting cults make their own choices. The only 'liberal' position he holds is on marijuana and I completely agree with him on it. But I would call that liberal, its libertarian.
As for your issue with his stance on religion, how is it a problem? Not all conservatives are Christian or even religious. There is nothing wrong with the separation of church and state and you would agree if the church was a mosque. Johnson just believes all religion should be kept out.
Oh, and that last little part that you didn't bold. He is a strong supporter of the 2ndA. The most liberal stance of all.
Keep hitching your cart on a horse that can't run, you'll get nowhere fast.
And might I ask, does he prefer sativa or indica? That might explain it all...
mamatutu
mama to two
That is the God's honest truth. To see pics of our prez doing drugs is unsettling. My daughter applied for the FBI and was truthful that she had smoked once or twice back in the day, and she was denied to go further with the application. She should have lied like the prez. She is drug free in her adult life. She is young and still likes to party, but it is beer, wine, and frozen drinks. Go figure.And might I ask, does he prefer sativa or indica? That might explain it all...
I think barry preferred what ever was free or what he could get his hands on, as long as he could get high he didn't care.And might I ask, does he prefer sativa or indica? That might explain it all...
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/05/10/Obama-High-School-Drugs
If barry wasn't elected to political office, he would never qualify for a security clearance.
Isn't it comforting to know that a person who couldn't even qualify for half the jobs in the DOD holds the keys to our nuclear arsenal.
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Midnightrider
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You are exactly where I am after hitching to Romney/Ryan
So you can't explain why any of that stuff is liberal, you just bolded it and plan to
Where do you get this stuff? Exactly what would be the offenses that exclude him? I'd really like to hear
mamatutu
mama to two
Oh, he cares. His bank account is growing, and America is not. That is all he cares about. He is a poor excuse for a prez. A leader he is not. Oh wait, I am wrong. He wants to lead us into poverty and despair.
You must be looking in a mirror.
I swear you are as ignorant as they come , how did you ever find your way out of the birth canal ?
No I’m not going to explain why I think any of the stuff I bold’ed is liberal, that is not the reason I responded to this thread. My interest in this thread is why barry got elected, hence the reason why I keep asking you what record he had when he first ran for president. So far, all you’ve done is side step the issue with distraction and diversion, time to get back on the topic and that is, what was the real reason barry got elect, I believe (and a lot of other due to) that the main reason he was elected was due to his race.You are exactly where I am after hitching to Romney/Ryan
So you can't explain why any of that stuff is liberal, you just bolded it and plan to
Where do you get this stuff? Exactly what would be the offenses that exclude him? I'd really like to hear
As for barry not qualifying for a clearance, he would qual for a confidential or maybe even a secret but he would not qual for a TS due to his association with a known terrorist, also, since he refuses to release his college transcripts that would disqualify him.
Here’s some light reading for you as to why barry won’t qualify for the clearance required to be president, too bad he got it anyway.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2096260/posts
Oh, look who decided to read the thread after they had already responded to it, guess well late than never uh.
Now, would you like to discuss what qualifications barry had when he ran for president back in 08, can you name one political accomplishment he had prior to running for president
Here’s some reading for you, enjoy;
http://www.conservapedia.com/Barack_Hussein_Obama
Midnightrider
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You cant, thats why you wont. The reality is that Gary Johnson represents conservative ideals with the exception of the religious/moral superiority crap that you are looking for. The guy is the only one in any recent presidential race to actually have a record of and plan for fixing the budget and taxes. That really is the only thing that should matter to a true conservative. If we dont fix those issues the rest will go by the wayside otherwise.
so give it a shot, point out the liberaliness of those positions that you bolded, if you can....
and i explained why Barry got elected a long time ago, he went up agaisnt two turds. Mccain the rino no self respecting actual conservative would vote for and Romeny the plastic man that the religious right hated over his "not a true christian" and "orginiator of the model for Obama care". Any decent candidate would have trounced Obama, there wasnt one.
His association was with a know and respected college professor. they went into this in depth back in '08 and it was pretty well dismissed. Even so, as long as Obama was honest about his past it wouldnt be an issue for a clearance. Something like a causal relationship with a questionable charecter isnt in and of itself disqualifying. As for his transcripts, i am sure that he would provide them in that situation. you disclose a lot in a security clearance packet that you wouldn't or haven't made public.
Again, I’m not going to get into what I think is liberal and what is not, that is subjective and neither of us will agree on any part of the discussion so it would nothing but an utter waste of time and bandwidth. If we start that discussion, it will not end and it would be pointless, it would be like discussing why one person likes a particular food item and another person doesn’t.
And if you think Bill Ayers is a respected college professor you are not a conservative at all so stop trying to act like one. You claim to be a “true” conservative but your words state otherwise, barry and Ayers wasn’t a “causal relationship”; barry started his political career in the living room of Ayers house, that’s not a causal relationship. And yes, a causal relationship with a known terrorist would disqualify you from a TS clearance, Ayers isn’t a “questionable character”, he’s a known terrorist who assisted in the destruction of US property and the death of an American Citizen. Also, barry’s association with Ayers, Wright, Rezko and his known drug use would have disqualified him.
Johnson may represent some conservative ideas but not all, hence the reason why he could gain any traction within the GOP and why the majority of conservatives didn’t support him (he got less than 1% of the vote in 2012).
Why do you say Palin is a turd?
Midnightrider
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You called Johnson a classical liberal but you can't point to any liberal values that he espouses. All the things you don't like about him are all because you wan the fed to either control how others live their live, or you want the fed to take care of you. I got news for you, Johnson is the 'conservative' one in the equation. The reason he didn't get any traction with GOP voters is two fold. First GOP voters are not conservative, they are just a new flavor of liberals. They want theirs in the form of medicad, ss, etc., and they want the fed to set rules on behavior and choice. Second, the leaders at the GOP didn't want Johnson because he would have threatened all of their pet projects. They didn't support him because they were afraid he was too conservative.
When Obama knew him ayers was nothing more than a college professor. Do your wiki research
Knowing him would not have been an exclusionary offense. If you can prove that it would please do.
I will explain the turdliness of palin as soon as you break down point by point how those bolded items are liberal.
Um, obviously you are incapable of doing any research, as far as that "classic liberal" statement, you might want to check this out;You called Johnson a classical liberal but you can't point to any liberal values that he espouses. All the things you don't like about him are all because you wan the fed to either control how others live their live, or you want the fed to take care of you. I got news for you, Johnson is the 'conservative' one in the equation. The reason he didn't get any traction with GOP voters is two fold. First GOP voters are not conservative, they are just a new flavor of liberals. They want theirs in the form of medicad, ss, etc., and they want the fed to set rules on behavior and choice. Second, the leaders at the GOP didn't want Johnson because he would have threatened all of their pet projects. They didn't support him because they were afraid he was too conservative.
When Obama knew him ayers was nothing more than a college professor. Do your wiki research
Knowing him would not have been an exclusionary offense. If you can prove that it would please do.
I will explain the turdliness of palin as soon as you break down point by point how those bolded items are liberal.
http://www.eagletribune.com/electionsnh/x1117976701/Johnson-campaign-tests-GOP-support-for-classical-liberal
Where did I say those bolded points were liberal, I said I think those points were liberal things but that doesn't make them liberal issues, it's just my opinion, and the reason why he didn't get any backing from the GOP.
As far as me explaining why I think those points are liberal, it ain't going to happen so you might as well forget that. Now, you called Palin a turd, guess you can't explain why you thinks she is except that's what MSLSD has told you.
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Midnightrider
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What Gary Johnson said according to your article
IF that is classic liberal then so am I. In fact its one of the things the right pays lip service to but never actually wants, small government.
But since you are incapable of reading you didn't get that from the link you posted
Like I said, I'll get right on your Palin request as soon as you get on my Johnson- request that is.
Then we are at an impasse sir and I recommend we just agree to disagree.
I though this discussion was about barry and the reasons why he got elected, plus the issue of race in both the 08 and 12 elections but since you insist on discussing political philosophies about a candidate who has no hope of ever getting elected as president I feel any further discussion will garner no meaningful outcome for neither of us will see eye to eye or be objective to the others point of view.
Overall it was a good discussion, learned a few things, thank you.
Midnightrider
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I didn't bring up Gary Johnson and demand a discussion about him, you did. What I said was that Obama won both of those elections in large part because weak GOP candidates. Then you dragged us down this particular rabbit hole. The GOP will continue to be losers as long as they put up fake fiscal conservatives who are intent on being as big nanny staters as the left.