When the government forces you to participate....

limblips

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it is indicative of impending deeper control. I am reminded of some programs that the NAVY/DOD forced upon us during my career. TQL/TQM, Petty Officer Indoctrination, and others long forgotten. All of them were time wasters sold by civilian for-profit companies that were embraced by desk jockies in DC.

 

vraiblonde

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Story:

Monello and I were in Paterson NJ and let me tell you, that is one festering shithole. There is one bright spot in the whole city, and that's a little park with a waterfall, where a very nice young NP ranger gave us some history. I had to ask her: "What bad thing did you do that you got stuck being a park ranger in Hell?" She replied that she's from the area, wants to be close to her family, blah blah blah. She's probably been raped and murdered by now because that's the kind of city Paterson is. But at least she was near her family.

Why in holy hell would you be a park ranger in freaking Paterson NJ when you can be one literally anywhere else in the country? That is an extremely portable career and there are an infinite number of opportunities in some pretty sweet locations.

"Government employee" is also portable - all careers are. If they need your job where you are, they also need it or something similar somewhere else. Therefore nobody is "forced" to do anything. They CHOOSE to do it. They could easily quit and go somewhere nice. If nomad living has taught me anything, it's that there are wonderful opportunities all over this country. So I don't want to hear any twaddle about "wah, I can't!" or "wah, I'm being forced!"

What's happened is that these people are boiling frogs. Oh, another degree.....that's not so bad. You get used to it, and then it's too late.

I understand that my attempt to get people to see a bigger picture is futile. I understand that. There are a million excuses why they "have to" stay in their shitty situation, and nothing I say will inspire them to live their best life. I keep thinking I should just give up, stop harping, think my thoughts about these people and let them be. But Monello and I still tell our story to everyone who'll listen because I know we've inspired at least one person to think outside the box and seek opportunity, and perhaps more than just one.

So I will continue to encourage, and if the "stuck" people are annoyed by that, OFW.

Which is what I think when I see one of these news stories about how some dumbshit is "forced" to inject poison into their veins, or "forced" to engage in extremely racist destructive behavior. OFW.
 

HemiHauler

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it is indicative of impending deeper control. I am reminded of some programs that the NAVY/DOD forced upon us during my career. TQL/TQM, Petty Officer Indoctrination, and others long forgotten. All of them were time wasters sold by civilian for-profit companies that were embraced by desk jockies in DC.


Don't see any "force" involved here, just voluntary decisions with a distaste for all that comes with that choice.
 

Hijinx

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I remember being sent to a course for diversity training.
I think I sat there for about a half hour before walking out.

Critical race Theory is just another name for diversity training.
The same old Bullsh1t with another name.
They tried it with adults and it doesn't work.
People's experiences working with AA employees kills the message.
So now they want to teach it to kids before they have work experiences that show the lie.
 

Clem72

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Critical race Theory is just another name for diversity training.
The same old Bullsh1t with another name.
I'm not sure I agree, at least not from the diversity training I had to take during my career. Diversity training tries to sell you on the idea that there are lots of tangible and intangible benefits to having a diverse team. That it's in the organization's best interest to foster a diverse environment, yada yada.

CRT focuses on the negative. You did something bad or you benefit from the bad things done before you. Marginalized groups are owed XYZ because they have suffered due to that thing you did or benefited from. It's in the organization's best interest to fix the "problem".

The first example might lead to policies that favor disadvantaged groups going forward. The second example may lead to policies that punish advantaged groups for imagined or real benefits already received.
 

Monello

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I'm not sure I agree, at least not from the diversity training I had to take during my career. Diversity training tries to sell you on the idea that there are lots of tangible and intangible benefits to having a diverse team. That it's in the organization's best interest to foster a diverse environment, yada yada.
If diversity, or any other strategy, is productive to an organization, it will happen organically. You won't need to shove it down people's throats. Because they will see the benefit in it and willingly accept it.

Take college campuses. They all preach diversity & tolerance. That is until Ben Shaprio or Ann Coulter show up to give a talk. Why isn't diversity of thought as important as diversity of attributes that people are born with?

CRT focuses on the negative. You did something bad or you benefit from the bad things done before you. Marginalized groups are owed XYZ because they have suffered due to that thing you did or benefited from. It's in the organization's best interest to fix the "problem".

The first example might lead to policies that favor disadvantaged groups going forward. The second example may lead to policies that punish advantaged groups for imagined or real benefits already received.
Affirmative action programs are nothing more than government sponsored bigotry. You can't throw group A a bone by penalizing group B and then thinking you are acting justly.


Take the current WH administration. So much diversity. But it's window dressing. Look at who got appointed to various positions. And then look at how those people stack up to their historical counterparts.

Harris - Way over her head
KJP - Severely underqualified for the job
Nuke waste dude Sam - pervert petty thief
Dick 'Rachel' Levine - moved his mom out of nursing home while forcing others into them during covid lockdowns
Mayorcas - Wouldn't know an invasion if it ran him over
KB Jackson - Too soon to tell, but didn't know what a woman was

I'm sure some of his diversity picks were qualified. But many are not. So America suffers in order to satisfy diversity.
 

Clem72

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If diversity, or any other strategy, is productive to an organization, it will happen organically. You won't need to shove it down people's throats. Because they will see the benefit in it and willingly accept it.

Take college campuses. They all preach diversity & tolerance. That is until Ben Shaprio or Ann Coulter show up to give a talk. Why isn't diversity of thought as important as diversity of attributes that people are born with?


Affirmative action programs are nothing more than government sponsored bigotry. You can't throw group A a bone by penalizing group B and then thinking you are acting justly.


Take the current WH administration. So much diversity. But it's window dressing. Look at who got appointed to various positions. And then look at how those people stack up to their historical counterparts.

Harris - Way over her head
KJP - Severely underqualified for the job
Nuke waste dude Sam - pervert petty thief
Dick 'Rachel' Levine - moved his mom out of nursing home while forcing others into them during covid lockdowns
Mayorcas - Wouldn't know an invasion if it ran him over
KB Jackson - Too soon to tell, but didn't know what a woman was

I'm sure some of his diversity picks were qualified. But many are not. So America suffers in order to satisfy diversity.
Not sure why you replied to me with all that. My comments aren't at odds with yours. I was providing my understanding of the differences in the way the training is provided. I was not trying to identify the root of the ideology or how people who profess to believe in it might be hypocrites and I am not ignorant of those things.

It's like if I said the way History is taught is different from Sociology, even if they cover the same topics. And then you come at me with a bunch of stuff about how history is fake and written by the elites and sociologists are hypocrites because they ignore such and such evidence in favor of supporting a narrative.

Yeah, we get it. Valid information. Not related to my post and doesn't invalidate what I said.
 
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