Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

[seekeroftruth]

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.​

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3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.​

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6 And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.” 7 So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.​

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9 And God said, “Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear.” And it was so. 10 God called the dry ground “land,” and the gathered waters he called “seas.” And God saw that it was good.​

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11 Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” And it was so. 12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.​

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14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.​

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20 And God said, “Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the vault of the sky.” 21 So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living thing with which the water teems and that moves about in it, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22 God blessed them and said, “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth.” 23 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fifth day.​

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24 And God said, “Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: the livestock, the creatures that move along the ground, and the wild animals, each according to its kind.” And it was so. 25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.​

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26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”​

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27 So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.​

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28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”​

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29 Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food.” And it was so.​

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31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day​

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Genesis 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array.​

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2 By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.​

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Here's the link to the commentary I read when posting the verses.

So yesterday, after finishing Revelation, I decided to start all over... fresh... with Genesis. Actually, who wouldn't decide to go to Genesis after seeing that magnificent event in the sky yesterday?

Yesterday we enjoyed a total eclipse of the sun. Such an event is awe inspiring and spooky at the same time... and to add to the adventure yesterday, I posted the last few verses of the last chapter of the Book of Revelation. So, I was inspired and spooked even more than in days past... giggle.

Hubby and I were switching through the channels as we watched the eclipse through the eyes of lots of newscasters and onlookers... and for a change... They all agreed. It was an awe inspiring and spooky event. I heard people saying they felt "connected". I heard people saying they felt "small".

God... and His Son... started it all.

Imagine... total black... not a single molecule to reflect light.... total black.... and then BANG something changes.... molecules start to form... and swirl and evolve and begin to exist. All of a sudden there is light... God is at work.

The Bible says it took just six days for God to create everything. That's not a workweek on our calendar... that's a week on God's calendar. God... who created the sun and the moon that caused the event that brought us such awe inspiring and spooky feelings... doesn't stick to our calendar.

God has His own calendar.

People say... it wasn't God... It was the "Big Bang". Well... Who started the "Big Bang"?

People say... it wasn't God... A slimy thing pulled itself out of the mud and all life on earth evolved from the slimy thing. Well... Who made the slimy thing?

People get really confused when they read "in His Image". They think mirrors or face to face or all kinds of other things... but all descriptions aside... the idea is... God was the one that put the hairs in our heads... God's the one who created the fingers and toes...

Was God supposed to make us behind His back? Sure, we were made in His image. He watched what He was doing. We are hand sculpted... just like the prettiest daisies and robins.

So, which came first... the chicken or the egg?

God came first, then He created the chicken and the egg!

 

[vraiblonde]

God came first

But that begs the question of where God came from. You can say, "Oh, God has always been," but couldn't you just as easily say that the chicken has always been?

When you think of the complexity of not just our planet, but the entire universe you almost have to believe in intelligent design; that it couldn't possibly have been an accident of evolution. But then you have to think about a being so intelligent that they could have created something so complex that works and fits together so well..... Even just the human being - our bodies work so well for everything from simply being alive to procreation....how could there be anything so omniscient that they could put that together? And that's just us - now look at the planet....and the solar system...and the whole universe....

Pretty impressive stuff, there, God.

But it could be better. If He can make all that, why not leave out the glitches that cause humans to be insane or get cancer? Why not leave out the part where children suffer due to various causes? If you're going to be perfect, why not be perfect?

So because we're glitchy, and God is supposed to be perfect, that leads to the conclusion that we're a work in progress, and we call that "evolution". I know Christians who insist that evolution and God are mutually exclusive, that God did it right the first time, but clearly He didn't. The way it's going God may not achieve perfection for another billion years.

And then there's that pesky science thing, that may or may not be correct. It is widely accepted that dinosaurs predate man by like 65 billion years, which jibes with scripture saying the animals came first, then man was invented to rule over them. Obviously Adam had no chance to rule over a T-Rex, so maybe that's why the dinosaurs went extinct? God all, "Yeah, that's not gonna work....."

Or maybe the whole thing is a load of crap and there was no such thing as dinosaurs, God just scattered bones around to keep us busy.

But again, that means God isn't perfect and it didn't happen the way the Bible says it did. We actually see evolution in progress in our daily lives, albeit on a small scale. So evolution is a thing. We don't have to have faith to believe in it, all we have to do is be mildly observant of our surroundings. So if these minute changes occur to facilitate things working together better, and we can see it in our puny little lifetime, imagine what can happen over BILLIONS of years.

And then we can discuss what's happening beyond our little bitty solar system.....

 

[seekeroftruth]

OK... Cool response....

God is so frickin' awesome... God created God!!!!

Just as mathematicians keep trying to solve pi.... preachers keep trying to get us to figure God out.

If it works.... don't frick with it!

How's that for opening a new conversation?!?

Seriously.... there has to be a start to the Book... and the start to this Book is.... God started everything.

We never read about God's wife... He has a Son... but we don't hear about His wife. Did God create His Son? Is that how He figured out how to create us? Did God's wife teach Him about eggs? What do they eat at God's favorite diner?

There are a lot of questions... without answers... but for the beginning of this Book.... It was God.

 

[Kyle]

Obviously the egg came first.

Breakfast.

 

[vraiblonde]

What do they eat at God's favorite diner?

Migas and Texas smoked brisket.

I'm not making that up.

 

[SamSpade]

But that begs the question of where God came from. You can say, "Oh, God has always been," but couldn't you just as easily say that the chicken has always been?

This is part of the difficulty we have with something as simple as an expanding universe - as though the universe was actually a gigantic balloon, and for it to expand, it has to be expanding INTO something. And it doesn't. One way of looking at it is, the distance between you and me sitting at a table is three feet. But some time later, we haven't moved but the distance has increased.

God also is eternal - not in meaning living forever, but also not part of time. You can't create time and live IN IT, any more than you can paint a picture and live by the constraints of a frame and a canvas. Physicists are familiar with this - that we as beings with memory perceive time as an arrow which moves in one direction - but it's our perception. Time does no such thing. It doesn't "move" at all. We do.

When you think of the complexity of not just our planet, but the entire universe you almost have to believe in intelligent design; that it couldn't possibly have been an accident of evolution.

I had a roommate who was studying to be a doctor - and he used to refer often to some famous experiment where basic, organic matter experiences a zap of electricity and lo! - simple amino acids are formed. From that he deduces that life arose spontaneously without encouragement via Deity. And I usually ask two questions - if simple LIFE could occur randomly, how is it with all our knowledge - we are still unable to do DELIBERATELY what he believes happened randomly, and spontaneously? If you sit down and compose a novel - a brilliantly constructed one - what are the chances that it could be RANDOMLY formed, by sheer chance? Secondly - with all of the random and incredibly fortuitous evolutionary changes required for an organism to successfully adapt and survive - isn't it almost infinitely more likely the change will be BAD, and result in premature extinction? Say you're playing chess against the world champ - and all of your moves are random. What are the chances he will beat you vs. by some incredible chance, you checkmate him, totally and randomly making your moves?

I do not conclude that reasoning proves there's a God - but I do conclude that somewhere - you HAVE to make a jump of logic. You HAVE to choose to believe something that you can't prove, ever.