"Who Is The "Queen of Heaven?"

Starman3000m

New Member
Question: "Who is the Queen of Heaven?"

Catholic Catechism states:

966 "Finally the Immaculate Virgin, preserved free from all stain of original sin, when the course of her earthly life was finished, was taken up body and soul into heavenly glory, and exalted by the Lord as Queen over all things, so that she might be the more fully conformed to her Son, the Lord of lords and conqueror of sin and death."506 The Assumption of the Blessed Virgin is a singular participation in her Son's Resurrection and an anticipation of the resurrection of other Christians:

969 "This motherhood of Mary in the order of grace continues uninterruptedly from the consent which she loyally gave at the Annunciation and which she sustained without wavering beneath the cross, until the eternal fulfillment of all the elect. Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation .... Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix."510

http://www.vatican.va/archive/catechism/ccc_toc.htm


Scriptural context from the Holy Bible:

...The phrase ‘the queen of heaven’ appears in the Bible twice, both times in the book of Jeremiah. The first incident is in connection with the things the Israelites were doing that provoked the Lord to anger. Entire families were involved in idolatry. The children gathered wood and the men used it to build altars to worship false gods. The women were engaged in kneading dough and baking cakes of bread for the “Queen of Heaven” (Jeremiah 7:18). This title referred to Ishtar, an Assyrian and Babylonian goddess also called Ashtoreth and Astarte by various other groups. She was thought to be the wife of the false god Baal, also known as Molech. The motivation of women to worship Ashtoreth stemmed from her reputation as a fertility goddess, and as the bearing of children was greatly desired among women of that era, worship of this “queen of heaven” was rampant among pagan civilizations and, sadly, it became popular among the Israelites as well.

The second reference to the queen of heaven is found in Jeremiah 44:17-25, where Jeremiah is giving the people the word of the Lord which God has spoken to him. He reminds the people that their disobedience and idolatry has caused the Lord to be very angry with them and punish them with calamity. Jeremiah warns them that greater punishments await them if they do not repent. They reply that they have no intentions of giving up their worship of idols, promising to continue pouring out drink offerings to the queen of heaven, Ashtoreh, and even going so far as to credit her with the peace and prosperity they once enjoyed because of God’s grace and mercy.

It is unclear where the idea that Ashtoreth was a “consort” of Jehovah originated, but it’s easy to see how the blending of paganism that exalts a goddess with the worship of the true King of heaven, Jehovah, can lead to the combining of God and Ashtoreth. And since Ashtoreth worship involved sexuality, (fertility, procreation, temple prostitution) the resulting relationship, to the depraved mind, would naturally be one of a sexual nature. Clearly the idea of the “queen of heaven” as the consort or paramour of the King of heaven is idolatrous and unbiblical.

There is no queen of heaven. There has never been a queen of heaven. There is most certainly a King of Heaven, the Lord of hosts, Jehovah. He alone rules in heaven. He does not share His rule or His throne or His authority with anyone. The idea that Mary, the mother of Jesus, is the queen of heaven has no scriptural basis whatsoever, stemming instead from proclamations of priests and popes of the Roman Catholic Church. While Mary was certainly a godly young woman greatly blessed in that she was chosen to bear the Savior of the world, she was not in any way divine, nor was she sinless, nor is she to be worshipped, revered, venerated, or prayed to. All followers of the Lord God refuse worship. Peter and the apostles refused to be worshipped (Acts 10:25-26; 14:13-14). The holy angels refuse to be worshipped (Revelation 19:10; 22:9). The response is always the same, "Worship God!" To offer worship, reverence, or veneration to anyone but God is nothing short of idolatry. Mary’s own words in her “Magnificat” (Luke 1:46-55) reveal that she never thought of herself as ‘immaculate’ and deserving of veneration, but was instead relying on the grace of God for salvation: “and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior.” Only sinners need a savior and Mary recognized that need in herself.

Furthermore, Jesus Himself issued a mild rebuke to a woman who cried out to Him, "Blessed is the mother who gave you birth and nursed you" (Luke 11:27), replying to her, "Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it." By doing so, He curtailed any tendency to elevate Mary as an object of worship. He could certainly have said, “Yes, blessed be the Queen of Heaven!” But He did not. He was affirming the same truth that the Bible affirms—there is no queen of heaven, and the only biblical references to the “queen of heaven” refer to the goddess of an idolatrous, false religion.

Who is the Queen of Heaven?

There is Only One Truth.
 
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MMDad

Lem Putt
We get it. You hate Catholics, Mormons, Muslims, and anyone who does not believe 100% in your narrow interpretation of the bible and the passages that you actually care about.

I'm sure you're just catching tons of flies with that vinegar. Have you ever considered using honey? You know, talk about how great and loving God is, talk about how much better life is if you find faith, that sort of thing. Or you could just continue to spew hate. Your call.
 

Starman3000m

New Member
We get it. You hate Catholics, Mormons, Muslims, and anyone who does not believe 100% in your narrow interpretation of the bible and the passages that you actually care about.

I'm sure you're just catching tons of flies with that vinegar. Have you ever considered using honey? You know, talk about how great and loving God is, talk about how much better life is if you find faith, that sort of thing. Or you could just continue to spew hate. Your call.

Anyone can say that they believe in "God" and "Jesus". The Muslims do; the Mormons do; the Jehovah's Witnesses do; the Moonies do; and, yes, the RCC also preaches about the Father, Son, Holy Spirit and Mary reigning as "Queen of Heaven" plus additional patron saints in Heaven. However, if you were to study each of their theologies and define who their God and Jesus is, you will find that they are not the same God and Jesus as spoken of in the Holy Bible. And, yet, they will say that their God is great and they have complete faith in what they have been taught by their teachers.

The Truth I bring is the Truth that Jesus and His Apostles spoke of and which is found within the covers of One Book: The Holy Bible. The hatred you claim that I spew is my sincere concern for others who are following another Gospel and another "Jesus". They are indoctrinated to believe as they do. I only expose what they are being taught and compare it to the context and teachings from the Holy Bible. And for that you say I am being "hateful" because of the comparisons???

If I did not care for the souls of those who are following false doctrine and belief in the wrong "Jesus" I would not bother taking the time to post the Truths from The Holy Bible.

There Is Only One Truth. (John 14:6)

So tell us MMDad -Which God and Jesus do you believe in? Your call.
 

Toxick

Splat
If I did not care for the souls of those who are following false doctrine and belief in the wrong "Jesus" I would not bother taking the time to post the Truths from The Holy Bible.



Tell you what....


Why don't you take ONE thread (preferably one that's already been started), and make that your "I hate Catholics, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses and Muslims" thread.

Then you can make a daily post in that thread with one of these pearls of wisdom and we'll all be happy!



Cool?

Cool.
 

onel0126

Bead mumbler
Tell you what....


Why don't you take ONE thread (preferably one that's already been started), and make that your "I hate Catholics, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses and Muslims" thread.

Then you can make a daily post in that thread with one of these pearls of wisdom and we'll all be happy!



Cool?

Cool.


Can I get an amen? I always wanted to say that--don't get to in my church. :killingme
 

thatguy

New Member
Tell you what....


Why don't you take ONE thread (preferably one that's already been started), and make that your "I hate Catholics, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses and Muslims" thread.

Then you can make a daily post in that thread with one of these pearls of wisdom and we'll all be happy!



Cool?

Cool.
:yeahthat:

there is one thing we can agree on
 

Silver301

Cool Dude
Tell you what....


Why don't you take ONE thread (preferably one that's already been started), and make that your "I hate Catholics, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses and Muslims" thread.

Then you can make a daily post in that thread with one of these pearls of wisdom and we'll all be happy!



Cool?

Cool.

Agreed! :buddies:
 

foodcritic

New Member
Question: "Who is the Queen of Heaven?"

Catholic Catechism states:




Scriptural context from the Holy Bible:



There is Only One Truth.


Very interesting. I have always believed in the deity of Mary in the RC church. Not always obvious. I like the context and explanation of your answers.

In typical fashion some people can not have an argument/debate with out losing control of their logical portion of the brain. :buddies:
 

Starman3000m

New Member
Very interesting. I have always believed in the deity of Mary in the RC church. Not always obvious. I like the context and explanation of your answers.

In typical fashion some people can not have an argument/debate with out losing control of their logical portion of the brain. :buddies:

:buddies:
 

Zguy28

New Member
Tell you what....


Why don't you take ONE thread (preferably one that's already been started), and make that your "I hate Catholics, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses and Muslims" thread.

Then you can make a daily post in that thread with one of these pearls of wisdom and we'll all be happy!



Cool?

Cool.
Criticism and argument are now "hate"?

Is this Canada?
 

Toxick

Splat
Criticism and argument are now "hate"?

:rolleyes:




Change the word hate "hate" to "am obsessed with nitpicking and being contrary with".






Better?


The point is we have six hundred threescore and six threads all dealing with the same obnoxious topics. I'm merely suggesting confining the discussion to a single thread (that way it may be easily ignored by those who have a mind to (like me))
 
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