why military needs right to repair!

[GURPS]

Navy commander denied ROUTER PASSWORD at sea:






so for all of you contractors why cannot the NAVY get the damn password ...

are you going to fly into the war zone risking your life

Yes I am aware contractors have in fact killed over seas ...

 

[black dog]

I will say that all of the years that I worked for Otis Elevator in Federal building that GSA did the service and maintenance in we were always called in to do the heavy maintenance and repairs on our equipment. GSA mechanics did the easy work.
It wasen't that we held service tools that they didn't have, I don't think they had the knowledge and tools to do the work. The GSA workers were better chaperones than mechanics. And they had there own elevator school just as we had our own.

 

[Clem72]

It's odd that they would be calling out a lack of military right to repair when the military literally has requirements to support, to the greatest extent practicable, operational and depot level repair capabilities. They will spend $10M to build a test jig to avoid spending $100k having an OEM service a component.

 

[GURPS]

Navy veteran discusses repair lockouts & leadership forcing use of broken equipment​

 

[PeoplesElbow]

Things like this are because the government tries to save a buck by leaving the data etc as property of the contractor. Ran into this situation several times. This is a contracting failure, not the contractors fault, they are giving the government exactly what it paid them for.

 

[GURPS]

Marine tank mechanic explains $200,000+ shipping bills and electronics repair​

 

[GURPS]

Navy aircraft electronics technician rages at lack of schematics, "this is OUR aircraft!"​

 

[BOP]

Things like this are because the government tries to save a buck by leaving the data etc as property of the contractor. Ran into this situation several times. This is a contracting failure, not the contractors fault, they are giving the government exactly what it paid them for.

Data rights have always been a hot button issue wrt contracting. I've seen instances where there was so much politcal investment, we'll call it, because of foreign country involvement - NTS, and NTSU, for example, that they basically classified a lot of the source data out of reach.

Speaking of forward-looking sensors, I've seen other manufacturers simply price the data so far out of reach, we'd have had to take out a 2nd mortgage on the country to acquire the rights. I'm forward-looking at you, OEM on the Left coast.

A lot of people don't realize that the government can't simply come in and throw some cash at the problem and resolve it in our favor. Well, we could, but it would take pallets of cash, and those were needed in Eastern Europe and in one of the Axis of Evil countries so favored by the American left.

So no, it's not a contracting failure. We who were involved in such things were constrained 6 ways to Sunday, and twice on the Holy Day.

 

[BOP]

Navy aircraft electronics technician rages at lack of schematics, "this is OUR aircraft!"​

If we don't own the data rights, we don't own the data rights, and it takes an act of Congress to change that. And, in such cases, there's simply not a vested interest on Congress' part to change that.

 

[BOP]

It's odd that they would be calling out a lack of military right to repair when the military literally has requirements to support, to the greatest extent practicable, operational and depot level repair capabilities. They will spend $10M to build a test jig to avoid spending $100k having an OEM service a component.

Anyone else other than me old enough to remember when the latest "thing" was the O-to-OEM concept of repair? If the O-level couldn't fix something, it went VFR-direct to the manufacturer for repair.

I don't know that that was a long-lived concept, but it had a huge impact on contracting for better than a decade.

I've also seen where I sat in meetings and said "why can't we repair that new whiz-bang gadget?" We, meaning the military. The answer was "because we'd have to create a new schoolhouse, stand up MOS'es, and that whole thing. In the meanwhile, we'd have to still source repair from the contractor, because we don't have the necessary KSA's in the military to do the work."

 

[PeoplesElbow]

Data rights have always been a hot button issue wrt contracting. I've seen instances where there was so much politcal investment, we'll call it, because of foreign country involvement - NTS, and NTSU, for example, that they basically classified a lot of the source data out of reach.

Speaking of forward-looking sensors, I've seen other manufacturers simply price the data so far out of reach, we'd have had to take out a 2nd mortgage on the country to acquire the rights. I'm forward-looking at you, OEM on the Left coast.

A lot of people don't realize that the government can't simply come in and throw some cash at the problem and resolve it in our favor. Well, we could, but it would take pallets of cash, and those were needed in Eastern Europe and in one of the Axis of Evil countries so favored by the American left.

So no, it's not a contracting failure. We who were involved in such things were constrained 6 ways to Sunday, and twice on the Holy Day.

Occasionally I get calls that go "we don't have the decoder ring to the data, but we heard you have a way of figuring it out". I have to explain what I can and can't do to the person, some get it, some don't.