Why Trump?

[glhs837]

Watch him. The wall, Mexico paying for it, and deporting illegals, will all be walked back to a more reasonable position.


Ban Muslims, build the wall, deportation are all pretty far right. True conservatives aren't voting for trump, but that doesn't mean trump isn't selling far right talking points.

See, keeping illegal immigrants out isn't a far right position. Nor is deporting illegals guilty of crimes. I can see where deporting Maria the Maid whose only crime is crossing the border could be seen as far right. But deporting Raul the Rapist? Or Manuel the murderer? That position should not be considered far right, or even right. Seems pretty centrist to me. I also think a neutrally phrased survey question about a wall would be considered centrist also. Instead of saying "Ban Muslims", how about you say "Put a hold on Muslims immigrants until we can develop and deploy an effective vetting process"? Sound a bit less far right?

"Do you support a Berlin style wall to ensure mothers and children seeking a better life starve to death in the desert?"

"Do you support physical barriers to restrict the flow of illegal immigrants into this country"

Want to bet that question number two gets fairly broad support amongst moderates of both parties?

 

[vraiblonde]

I don't disagree with any of that. I'm just concerned he is telegraphing to his supporters to riot if it goes this way. He's already advocated violence regarding protesters.

I don't see where he is "telegraphing" or "advocating" anything. He is merely predicting (probably correctly) what will happen if the People learn that their votes don't really count and they don't really have any say in their government or representation. We didn't need him to tell us this - several of us right on here have been saying it for weeks.

I have no problem with radical protesters getting their asses kicked. In fact, I will go as far as to say good, it's about time. These people think they can shut down any opposition by raising a ruckus. They have been getting away with this for as long as I can remember, and I'm completely okay with someone FINALLY running them off. If there is some risk involved in trying to take away our freedom of assembly, perhaps they'll stop doing it altogether and find a more productive way to make their views known.

 

[This_person]

There are a lot of posts that show support and agreement with Trump's policies even though not regurgitated in this thread.

I know I agree with him that we should be capable of constructing a barrier to slow the flow of illegal entry into country and I agree that we can very well pay for it by moving funds over from the pot of money that we gift Mexico on a yearly basis.

I agree with Trump that we can start to reduce the criminal element in our country that is here illegally. And by starting with the thousands that have commited crimes in our country we don't have to put much more effort into time and money to evict them because we have already spent time and money on them when they were caught and deemed criminals.

I agree with Trump that when someone regardless of faith says, "I hate America. I want to kill Americans. I will commit criminal acts in America" we should take them at their word and they should not be allowed to come into our country and most certainly if they are already here they should be escorted out. No fancy lawyering needed... we won't argue with them and we won't let them suffer in such a horrid environment any longer.... ship them home.

Okay, so you agree with his immigration policy. That's one thing. He's not the only one with that vision, but that's a point of agreement. I'll buy that.

I agree that Trump wants to see American business thrive again. I agree with him when he says that we need to start making stuff IN America again and I agree with him that we can change laws to make it enticing for businesses to want to have their businesses here and not overseas. Will this piss off other countries? Of course it will because they are getting filthy rich off of the wealth that used to reside here in America.

I could go on...

Please do. So far, you've mentioned two things, one of which (as president) he has the ability to significantly affect.

 

[MJ]

So, "he can't be that bad" and "he's not someone else" are reasons TO vote for someone?

I'm glad that we still have a choice besides Cruz. I'm with him on being a constitutionalist, but I don't think he'll be any better at getting folks in the House and the Senate to work together. I'm still bitter about his role in shutting down the government. #fistinair

 

[Larry Gude]

This guy is just dangerous. He is telegraphing to his supporters to riot if he doesn't get the nod.

Thomas Jefferson anticipated Revolution every twenty years or so based on the American principle of not wanting to be told what to do and the inevitable collision between that desire and people who wanted control

 

[Midnightrider]

See, keeping illegal immigrants out isn't a far right position. Nor is deporting illegals guilty of crimes. I can see where deporting Maria the Maid whose only crime is crossing the border could be seen as far right. But deporting Raul the Rapist? Or Manuel the murderer? That position should not be considered far right, or even right. Seems pretty centrist to me. I also think a neutrally phrased survey question about a wall would be considered centrist also. Instead of saying "Ban Muslims", how about you say "Put a hold on Muslims immigrants until we can develop and deploy an effective vetting process"? Sound a bit less far right?

"Do you support a Berlin style wall to ensure mothers and children seeking a better life starve to death in the desert?"

"Do you support physical barriers to restrict the flow of illegal immigrants into this country"

Want to bet that question number two gets fairly broad support amongst moderates of both parties?

See, those aren't his positions. Trump is for deporting all illegal, he makes no exceptions in his speeches. His position on banning Muslims was similarly not restricted to immigrants, at least not at first.

 

[glhs837]

Thomas Jefferson anticipated Revolution every twenty years or so based on the American principle of not wanting to be told what to do and the inevitable collision between that desire and people who wanted control

So he would be like the car owner looking at 300,000 on the odo and wondering how in the hell the wheels have not come off yet?

 

[GregV814]

Peter Jennings, a long dead "reporter" stated the Country had a temper tantrum when another Republican was elected to the White House....So, in the minds of folks like old dead Peter, maybe we're facing another "tantrum"...

 

[This_person]

I'm glad that we still have a choice besides Cruz. I'm with him on being a constitutionalist, but I don't think he'll be any better at getting folks in the House and the Senate to work together. I'm still bitter about his role in shutting down the government. #fistinair

So, you agree with Cruz on basic policy, recognize that he demonstrated leadership, but think Trump is no better at unifying people, so you want to vote Trump.

This isn't exactly something I follow.

 

[kwillia]

Okay, so you agree with his immigration policy. That's one thing. He's not the only one with that vision, but that's a point of agreement. I'll buy that.Please do. So far, you've mentioned two things, one of which (as president) he has the ability to significantly affect.

I agree with him that removing state borders from healthcare delegations will help bring costs down.

I agree with his blurb on gun control:

"I don't like it," he told CBS's John Dickerson on "Face the Nation." "I don't like anything having to do with changing our Second Amendment. We have plenty of rules and regulations. It's plenty of things they can do right now that are already there. They don't do them."

"We have a tremendous mental health problem," Trump continued. "We are closing places all over the world, all over the country they are closing, but they are closing all over the world."

He added: "All they want to do is blame the guns. And it is not the gun that pulls the trigger."

 

[Larry Gude]

So he would be like the car owner looking at 300,000 on the odo and wondering how in the hell the wheels have not come off yet?

Jefferson was of the mind that every generation or two the people would want to sort of unclog the way things have become. The general idea being laws made today maybe really shouldn't reach too far into the future.

 

[This_person]

See, those aren't his positions. Trump is for deporting all illegal, he makes no exceptions in his speeches. His position on banning Muslims was similarly not restricted to immigrants, at least not at first.

It's hard to imagine not following the law and deporting all illegal aliens. What would be the reason for that?

One of the strengths defined by Trump supporters is that he is not a politician, and therefore not able to voice his meaning. He said all Muslims in the context of refugees, and his bravado and lack of diplomatic strength combined to make it all Muslims. After a couple of days, it became all refugees. It was sort of like watching someone think out loud for a couple of days with people advising him (albeit a little late).

 

[Larry Gude]

See, those aren't his positions. Trump is for deporting all illegal, he makes no exceptions in his speeches. His position on banning Muslims was similarly not restricted to immigrants, at least not at first.

Donald Trump is no stranger 2 asking for far too much and then making concessions in negotiations to end up with what he wanted in the first place

 

[MJ]

So, you agree with Cruz on basic policy, recognize that he demonstrated leadership, but think Trump is no better at unifying people, so you want to vote Trump.

This isn't exactly something I follow.

What I typed and what you interpreted are way off. I don't think Cruz demonstrated leadership at all during the shutdown and my comment "but I don't think he'll be any better at getting folks in the House and the Senate to work together." was also about Cruz.

 

[This_person]

I agree with him that removing state borders from healthcare delegations will help bring costs down.

I agree with his blurb on gun control:

"I don't like it," he told CBS's John Dickerson on "Face the Nation." "I don't like anything having to do with changing our Second Amendment. We have plenty of rules and regulations. It's plenty of things they can do right now that are already there. They don't do them."

"We have a tremendous mental health problem," Trump continued. "We are closing places all over the world, all over the country they are closing, but they are closing all over the world."

He added: "All they want to do is blame the guns. And it is not the gun that pulls the trigger."

His desire, though, specifically stated by him is not to remove state barriers in the concept of free-market health insurance. It is in the context of universal health insurance coverage by the 40% or so of the population that will be left paying taxes.

So, we've got "i want to enforce immigration law as written" and "I want to enforce the second amendment - including all of the gun control measures that are currently law, as written."

How does he feel about apple pie?

 

[This_person]

What I typed and what you interpreted are way off. I don't think Cruz demonstrated leadership at all during the shutdown and my comment "but I don't think he'll be any better at getting folks in the House and the Senate to work together." was also about Cruz.

Well, Cruz clearly demonstrated leadership IF you give him credit/blame for the shutdown. If he, a senator - and a junior one at that - could control the bulk of House republicans, that's leadership. You may not like the plan, but he executed it - IF you give him credit/blame for the resolve the House took towards fiscal policy - in a way that actually had accomplishments.

I apologize, I thought you were saying Trump wouldn't be any better than Cruz.

 

[kwillia]

His desire, though, specifically stated by him is not to remove state barriers in the concept of free-market health insurance. It is in the context of universal health insurance coverage by the 40% or so of the population that will be left paying taxes.

So, we've got "i want to enforce immigration law as written" and "I want to enforce the second amendment - including all of the gun control measures that are currently law, as written."

How does he feel about apple pie?

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make because if you want to pick apart the words of candidates and imply that a candidate is only pandering to what they think the voting public wants to hear but will do something different later I have already discounted Hill, Bern, Cruz, and Rubio for exactly that... I don't consider K to even be in the running this go round.

 

[MJ]

Well, Cruz clearly demonstrated leadership IF you give him credit/blame for the shutdown. If he, a senator - and a junior one at that - could control the bulk of House republicans, that's leadership. You may not like the plan, but he executed it - IF you give him credit/blame for the resolve the House took towards fiscal policy - in a way that actually had accomplishments.

I apologize, I thought you were saying Trump wouldn't be any better than Cruz.

I don't consider, "my way or the highway" as leadership. What accomplishments???? He got nowhere with it and no on the Hill likes him. We can't waste another 4 years spinning tires and not getting anything done or changed.

 

[This_person]

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make because if you want to pick apart the words of candidates and imply that a candidate is only pandering to what they think the voting public wants to hear but will do something different later I have already discounted Hill, Bern, Cruz, and Rubio for exactly that... I don't consider K to even be in the running this go round.

The point I am trying to make is that Trump's policies are bad for the country. He says one thing, and it's true, but he means it in another way. And, he tells us that.

 

[This_person]

I don't consider, "my way or the highway" as leadership. What accomplishments???? He got nowhere with it and no on the Hill likes him. We can't waste another 4 years spinning tires and not getting anything done or changed.

The leadership is that - IF you credit/blame him for the shutdown - he was able to coalesce a group of people as a junior senator in the party out of power in the Senate that could not possibly gain from him because they were in the majority party in the House. he got them to work together, and accomplished shutting down the government and raising the issue to a level no one else could - again, IF you can find a way to credit/blame him for the shutdown.