Will Tony take one for the team?
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If we don't get UN approval for an attack, and we go at it alone, I think Bush should just ask Blair to step aside as well. The guy's rating are much lower than even Bush's, he couldn't recover from such an act. If we go to war without UN approval with Blair by our side, I feel sorry for what he may go through both personally and politically. I think Blair is a great guy and doesn't need to be put in this type of situation.
That's what they said about Guiliani in NY.
Sometimes, ST, it's not about politics. Sometimes it's about doing what's right and in the best interest of your country. I'm willing to let Blair worry about his own career.
Penn
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Most logical thing I've heard...
I feel you've definitely got it right. If you follow what this man has been saying, you can feel it in your gut he believes
what he's doing is right. He appears to me to be a man with convictions; even in the face of doubts from his own countrymen.
What I can't fathom is what he had in common with Pres. Clinton, though. Dubya and Slick Willie are two different men.
George Bush Jr., is a man of conviction as well, I believe, where Willie Jeff was just playing the part, as if it were something he'd been preparing himself for all his life; and what is even funnier, I think, is he was surprised to even find himself in the White House in the first place, for the initial four years!
That is what is so perplexing about it. These men believe in what they are doing. Whereas Slick Willie was merely playing a role he'd always dreamed of, but never measured up to. JMHO
I feel you've definitely got it right. If you follow what this man has been saying, you can feel it in your gut he believes what he's doing is right. He appears to me to be a man with convictions; even in the face of doubts from his own countrymen.
What I can't fathom is what he had in common with Pres. Clinton, though. Dubya and Slick Willie are two different men.
George Bush Jr., is a man of conviction as well, I believe, where Willie Jeff was just playing the part, as if it were something he'd been preparing himself for all his life; and what is even funnier, I think, is he was surprised to even find himself in the White House in the first place, for the initial four years!
That is what is so perplexing about it. These men believe in what they are doing. Whereas Slick Willie was merely playing a role he'd always dreamed of, but never measured up to. JMHO
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My, my, the grapes are sour today. What I said is, I am willing to let Tony Blair worry about his own career. How can you possibly get out of that that I know what's best for him?
Something else I've been thinking about:
If some poller called my house and asked me if I approved of the way Bush is handling the Iraq situation, I'd have to say 'no'. Larry's buddy in Phoenix says there's a TON of people out there that think Bush is being a pantywaist fraidy cat - they would surely say 'no', too. I know people like that (I'm one of them) and my folks think the same thing.
Yet when they say the President's approval ratings are down, the news guys make it sound like they're down because people are anti-war. But could it be that his approval ratings are down because he's pussyfooting around with this UN crap on a job that could have been over by now?
Then we have the polls that say x-% of Americans would vote for ANY Democrat over Bush. That tells me that it has nothing to do with Bush's performance, and has everything to do with partisan politics.
If some poller called my house and asked me if I approved of the way Bush is handling the Iraq situation, I'd have to say 'no'. Larry's buddy in Phoenix says there's a TON of people out there that think Bush is being a pantywaist fraidy cat - they would surely say 'no', too. I know people like that (I'm one of them) and my folks think the same thing.
Yet when they say the President's approval ratings are down, the news guys make it sound like they're down because people are anti-war. But could it be that his approval ratings are down because he's pussyfooting around with this UN crap on a job that could have been over by now?
Then we have the polls that say x-% of Americans would vote for ANY Democrat over Bush. That tells me that it has nothing to do with Bush's performance, and has everything to do with partisan politics.
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There are the polls which ask if Bush should go at this alone, and those yes votes are low as well.
As I watch the UN-US stuff going on, gotta think saddam is just laughing his ### off... Seems like everyday there is something going on putting the situation in more and more disarray. First you have us being firm, saying March 17th. That didn't go over so well, so he askes for an extension. We opposed that, then decided it may be ok. That wasn't accepted either. Then Blair asks for more demands to show iraq is complying, the UN and baghdad laugh. Bush says he will call for a vote no matter what the count may be, so everyone could "show their cards", then he lets the vote slide a few days, then a week. Now Powell is saying we may just forget the vote and go in. Neither the UN or Bush has been a stable feature in this argument.
Sad,sad,sad.
Originally posted by vraiblonde
My, my, the grapes are sour today.
I was responding to what I percieved as a condescending tone in your post. Of course, those kinds of things don't always come through too clearly in written form, so my apologies if I misread that. :dosman:
My, my, the grapes are sour today.
I was responding to what I percieved as a condescending tone in your post. Of course, those kinds of things don't always come through too clearly in written form, so my apologies if I misread that. :dosman:
Could be both. Usually when politicians say one thing and do another, they are trying to appeal to as many as possible. Bush got away with this for about the first year. But now, the anti war people object to the harsh rhetoric, but the hawks see that he's not backing up his words (yet). He's losing both ends. This is a bad thing- and personally, I think it is a result of being on the wrong side of the issue. We can't trust what he says, but he can't DO what he says because of the repurcussions (or whatever the reason is.)
He may end up doing what he says he's gonna do in the end, but he will have alienated a lot of people in the meantime. Can he fix that up?
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In the new Websters dictionary under 'Bush', it says "See one term presidents"
Like you say, both sides are frustrated with him right now. Some wanted us in Iraq a month ago, others want more time.
Iraq is a bad omen for presidents named Bush. Win or lose, you still lose.
People like me are caught between a rock and a hard place. I think this mess should have been cleared up a LONG time ago. At least Bush is making a half-hearted attempt, which is more than Clinton did.
So even if absolutely nothing is done about this Iraq situation and they end up blowing California to Kingdom come because of Bush's wimpiness with the UN, don't look for me to vote for any one of the current crop of Democrats. They've done nothing but undermine the effort and make it worse.
Now if one of them grows a pair and goes heavy for removing these damn dictators, I'd vote for them regardless of party. The lib-freaks keep screaming that Bush is a warmonger and a bloodthirsty hawk - sorry, folks...I'm not seeing it. Which tells me you all are insane and I'm not voting for your candidate.
So even if absolutely nothing is done about this Iraq situation and they end up blowing California to Kingdom come because of Bush's wimpiness with the UN, don't look for me to vote for any one of the current crop of Democrats. They've done nothing but undermine the effort and make it worse.
Now if one of them grows a pair and goes heavy for removing these damn dictators, I'd vote for them regardless of party. The lib-freaks keep screaming that Bush is a warmonger and a bloodthirsty hawk - sorry, folks...I'm not seeing it. Which tells me you all are insane and I'm not voting for your candidate.
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You can call the dems all you want as long as you don't say Bush is really helping the economy. What good is a "liberated" iraq if we are in the toilet ourselves?
"Democrats were quick to point out that President Bush's budget creates a 1 trillion dollar deficit. The White House quickly responded with 'Hey, look over there, it's Saddam Hussein.'" —Craig Kilborn
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Hello, Beavis! We're still the most prosperous country in the world. If that's your definition of "in the toilet", what do you think of these other countries?
Doesn't it seem strange to you that the second Bush takes office, the "economy" goes "in the toilet"? If he is THAT powerful that all he has to do is take the oath of office to ruin our country, then MAN! I'm glad he's with us and not against us.
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Originally posted by vraiblonde
Hello, Beavis! We're still the most prosperous country in the world. If that's your definition of "in the toilet", what do you think of these other countries?
Doesn't it seem strange to you that the second Bush takes office, the "economy" goes "in the toilet"? If he is THAT powerful that all he has to do is take the oath of office to ruin our country, then MAN! I'm glad he's with us and not against us.
Wow, those blinders are tight these days. I'll say something that I never thought I would say... If given a good candidate, I am looking forward to voting a democrat president to try and HELP the economy. You can choose whichever path gives you the warm fuzzy.
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SmallTown
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"NEW YORK - Looming war in Iraq and rising layoffs battered U.S. consumer sentiment to its lowest level in more than a decade in early March as widespread economic gloom shows few signs of lifting any time soon.
The steady erosion of confidence is hurting consumer spending, which drives two-thirds of the U.S. economy and is needed to fuel a robust recovery. "
But if the war is fast, and letdown his postponed, it might be good enough to keep bush in for a 2nd term, but he better time it just right...
"During the Gulf War in 1991 confidence rebounded sharply when the United States and its allies invaded to remove Iraq from Kuwait, but the gains were short-lived and confidence eroded again as the economy suffered through recession.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A24960-2003Mar14.html
Being a somewhat young fellow (only really noticing Reagan, Bush Sr., Clinton, and Jr.) I don't follow where the republicans are the ones that are supposed to be good with money? Bush Sr. made some strides to correct the problems with reaganomics, but didn't go all the way.
The steady erosion of confidence is hurting consumer spending, which drives two-thirds of the U.S. economy and is needed to fuel a robust recovery. "
But if the war is fast, and letdown his postponed, it might be good enough to keep bush in for a 2nd term, but he better time it just right...
"During the Gulf War in 1991 confidence rebounded sharply when the United States and its allies invaded to remove Iraq from Kuwait, but the gains were short-lived and confidence eroded again as the economy suffered through recession.
"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A24960-2003Mar14.html
Being a somewhat young fellow (only really noticing Reagan, Bush Sr., Clinton, and Jr.) I don't follow where the republicans are the ones that are supposed to be good with money? Bush Sr. made some strides to correct the problems with reaganomics, but didn't go all the way.
Did you care to be more specific or did you just want to make a random comment and run off?
Christy
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Originally posted by vraiblonde
Did you care to be more specific or did you just want to make a random comment and run off?
I think he's trying to say Bill Clinton was responsible for our "economic prosperity" during his reign.
IMHO, we're just now reaping the "rewards" of the Clinton economic policy. But what would I know? :shrug: I'm not a democrat. 
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Originally posted by vraiblonde
Did you care to be more specific or did you just want to make a random comment and run off?
Just read some of the things you have been saying, it is pretty clear. It just amazes me the things people say when "their guy" is on the line.
I couldn't believe some of the puke the dems were saying when Clinton was in office (I personally liked many of his policies, his personal and legal troubles baffled me. Many dems saw nothing wrong with either of those two items)
And now the republicans are sounding the same way. I guess you get used to hearing it from the other side and figure it must be the way to go.
Bush has completely butchered the whole iraq issue. All the while doing nothing about things back home that need attention NOW. Even his little PR stunt convinced no one except for those who already were ready to go to war.
After 9/11, I was so happy that Bush was president because I'm not sure Gore would have handled the situation in Afghanistan as well as Bush did (is doing).
But I find it completely revolting that the administration has tried to brainwash Americans (and the world) that invading Iraq is part of the 9/11 fight. IT IS NOT! How many hijackers were from iraq? How many planners were from iraq? NONE. They have yet to provide any solid evidence that iraq was involved in any way with al-qaida. For the administration to play with the emotions and thoughts of those who perished in the 9/11 attacks to try and gain support for this war is simply disgusting. But I guess when you're cornered, you'll use anything at your disposal to try and escape.
I hear these songs about "Don't forget 9/11", I think these songs should be directed to Bush and his strict followers because it is obvious they have forgotten who it was that brought down our buildings.
Bush was on a roll with removing the taliban and going after al-qaida around the world. It is a shame he had to steer off course the way he has. We had so much world support. Now look at us. The laughing stock of the world. People think all we care about is war and will do anything to have it that way. From super power to super chumps. Way to go Bush.
Sorry for the rant. But I was just watching cnn last night and one of the pro-war freaks was spouting off how "Don't these anti-war people remember who took down our buildings?" And my mouth just dropped, knowing they didn't just say that.