Windows Vista SP1 Will Install XP

terbear1225

Well-Known Member
MMDad said:
My printer is more than 5 years old. They say you might be able to use the XP driver, but I ahven't tried it yet.

mine is 10 years+. it doesn't even have a usb connection. i was hoping there would be some way around that but if the drivers aren't compatible, i might as well just buy a new one.
 

vegmom

Bookseller Lady
I was going to wait until next year to get a new computer, thinking Microsoft would have worked all the kinks out of Vista by then.

Unfortunatly, my old computer bit the dust just after Vista was released. :banghead:

No real problems, but I don't like how the file folders are set up. Just let me click on @#$% My Documents and sort things myself !
 

Chain729

CageKicker Extraordinaire
You people are whining about Vista, and I still haven't downgraded to XP yet. :lmao: Though work is about to make me :twitch:
 

ComputerDoctor

New Member
Everyone,

If you are having compatibility problems, have you checked out your manufacturer's website? I know the last time I checked for an HP LaserJet printer that was 5+ years old, HP had a new Vista compatible driver. Always worth a try :)

Chris
 

MMDad

Lem Putt
ComputerDoctor said:
Everyone,

If you are having compatibility problems, have you checked out your manufacturer's website? I know the last time I checked for an HP LaserJet printer that was 5+ years old, HP had a new Vista compatible driver. Always worth a try :)

Chris
The HP site said they would not be putting out a driver for my printer because it is too old.
 
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RadioPatrol

Guest
VISTA :barf:

[soapbox]
I was forced :rolleyes: to work on this crap today ....... a customer got 2 new machines with vista ultimate ####ing :burning: M$ has to move everything around and rename it :poke: .......... wankers

gees now yo have to take owner ship of registry entries b4 changing them :eyebrow:

frik'n desktop picture is under "Personalization" wtf is that all about ...........


display settings worked fine ........... :crazy:

I do not hate Vista as much as I do M$ Primordial urge to rename every damn thing, it used to M$ was about keeping thing the same, now :faint:

[/soapbox]
 
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RadioPatrol

Guest
MMDad said:
The HP site said they would not be putting out a driver for my printer because it is too old.


what printer is that .......... ?
 

terbear1225

Well-Known Member
found a reason to not like vista. it won't let me access my hotmail account with outlook. i have to install windows live mail.
 

AndyMarquisLIVE

New Member
I had...

Pete said:
:yeahthat: Mine wont recognize the wireless network half the damn time.

... A LOT of network issues w/ Vista. I have a home network for college stuff, and Vista was just WAY TOO secure, didn't work 50% of the time. The other 50%, I had to enter a password everytime I wanted to print something to my HP5L.
 

2ndAmendment

Just a forgiven sinner
PREMO Member
RadioPatrol said:
VISTA :barf:

[soapbox] M$ has to move everything around and rename it :poke: .......... wankers
...
I do not hate Vista as much as I do M$ Primordial urge to rename every damn thing, ....

[/soapbox]
As it was said in a joke: If cars were made like Microsoft makes operating systems, every time a new car model came out you would have to learn to drive again.

Sad but true.
 

Ender

Undercover Geek
Ultimately, Vista has a number of pros and cons (much like any other Windows-based operating systems). I haven't had too much problems out of Vista and I've been using it on two of my laptops for quite some time now. My biggest problem was the UAC (User Access Control) - where it would pop up every few seconds if you're trying to do something, switch the screen darker for a moment, and asks if you approve of it. You can disable this, so it's not too much of a bother.

The 'internet security' per se, is obtainable on prior versions of Windows (especially Windows XP). This is for the number of users who use IE - XP is not limited to just IE 5.5 and users can upgrade to IE 6 (the same as Vista). In fact, really, I've had more problems out of XP than I have with Vista [within the same time span, anyways]. Vista's more stable overall; just takes a level of getting used to some of the changes.

Any sane business would be using Windows Server 2003 - it outranks even most LInux distro out there. FreeBSD might still have a few perks that W2k3 doesn't have; but there's just not enough not to use Windows 2003.
 

2ndAmendment

Just a forgiven sinner
PREMO Member
Ender said:
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Any sane business would be using Windows Server 2003 - it outranks even most LInux distro out there. FreeBSD might still have a few perks that W2k3 doesn't have; but there's just not enough not to use Windows 2003.
I have, use, and administer both W2k3 and Linux systems and the Linux systems are far more stable, require far less memory per user, serve very well as print and file servers for Windows XP, Win2k, and other Windows boxes including Win2k3. Linux and Unix are far more secure by their very nature of user compartmentalization. Selinux even makes Linux distros more secure. Windows DNS is stuck in the dark ages of BIND. The Windows TCP stack is very fragile and corrupts needing reboot to clear. Windows 2k3 and Server Win2k both behave badly with DNS, host name, and multiple NIC environment. I know; most of our Win2k and Win2k3 servers have four NICs. Linux honors host name properly in a multiple NIC environment. Linux offers far better and more scalable email and web serving.

There is no comparison when it comes to cost. Linux is free. In the case of Linux, you get huge value at no cost. Windows gives you limited value, security issues, at relatively large cost per user.

You may be able to sell that line to people who don't know, but anyone who has used both with any longevity knows differently.
 
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Vince

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ComputerDoctor said:
Vince,

I have noticed that lately with Dell notebooks. I ordered my notebook within days of Vista's launch, so I was able to select Windows XP as my operating system.

As a general rule of thumb, I try to wait until at least Windows Service Pack 1 comes out before I purchase a new operating system.

Chris
Was on the Dell website recently and they have switched back to offering both Vista and XP with all their new desktop computers. A couple months ago this was not the case. All they were offering was Vista. Guess that tells me something about Vista. I have looked at their Notebooks and all I could find was Vista. :shrug:
 
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2ndAmendment

Just a forgiven sinner
PREMO Member
Vince said:
Was on the Dell website recently and they have switched back to offering both Vista and XP with all their new desktop computers. A couple months ago this was not the case. All they were offering was Vista. Guess that tells me something about Vista. I have looked at their Notebooks and all I could find was Vista. :shrug:
Call and ask. Almost everything in business, especially sales, is negotiable.

I think that the Vista license allows you to "downgrade" to XP. I know the XP license would allow you to "downgrade" to Win2k. All you had to have was the media.
 

GopherM

Darwin was right
MMDad said:
I use it at home on two computers. I like how stable it is. I can leave it running for weeks without it starting to screw up, like every previous version of windows did.

I don't like that I can't use my printer anymore because HP won't write a driver for it.

I have a similar problem with my HP All-In-One. HP created a new driver but it still has compatibility problems with the HP Solutions Center (functional dashboard). I can print, but almost like clock work, once a week the solutions center fails to detect that the printer is available and I have to install everything again. This usually takes about 30 minutes. I have spent about 20 hours on the phone and on-line chat support site with HP and they always tell me, "Thank you bery much sir for calling to this help line, it is certain that we are fixing this problem for you." So far...no luck.
 

Ender

Undercover Geek
More of the recent studies and statistics show that Windows Server 2003 is offering more speed and dependability than its precessors: NT and 2000. For file hosting and hosting, Windows Server 2003 will be faster than Linux - just at a cost of RAM. Plus, you'd have to manage things reasonably; you wouldn't host your MSSQL or mySQL on the same box as the actual domain. Normally, I would have Server 2003 as the primary host (apache, php, perl, etc) and then have another box on Slackware or a debian-distro with the mySQL on it (or postgre, depending on what the customer wants for their database management). Any linux distro is more secure because there's a less likely varient for viruses and exploits similar to the most notorious Windows ones (nimda, code red, etc). However, Linux will always have its downsides too - as most proper 'hackers' are aware as to how to get their way to root with the right amount of work. Of course, this falls true for Windows as well - but that's just saying a personal preference.

Naturally, I use FreeBSD and Debian for most online-based hosting or OS-usage. Most of the customers I've had in the past requested Windows due to the ability to use a VM to connect (once they load VM Server) and manage the environment like a normal desktop. Obviously, the same can be done on linux - but most prefer the command line or a BASH shell for them to manipulate data with.

You're right otherwise; but some people will always prefer a Windows environment over a Linux one. Windows will consume your memory in matter of moments if you don't know how to manage it properly. For instance, with 512mb of RAM on each of my servers, I only use about 100mb out of it for running windows, apache, and most other simple services. Of course, I'm not crazy enough to try to use IIS and think it's useful ;p
 
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RadioPatrol

Guest
mv_princess said:
Could someone then please explain to me what the major problem with Vista is?


Maybe then I will understand what I am suppose to "hate" about it...


it doesn't work with most software apps / printers and such more than a few yrs old, because manufactures are unwilling to spend the time, they figure you will just buy a new printer

like most games released in the last couple yrs
 
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