women can't be ministers, preachers, etc?
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itsbob
I bowl overhand
There are many instances in the bible where women are prophets, and judges in biblical times, but the Catholic church forbids women to be priests.. even though
“There is no biblical or theological reason to keep women from the priesthood,” continued Barnes. The Vatican states women cannot be priests because in the gospels Jesus chose only male apostles. However, in 1976 the Vatican’s own Pontifical Biblical Commission concluded that there is no scriptural reason to prohibit women’s ordination.
“There is no biblical or theological reason to keep women from the priesthood,” continued Barnes. The Vatican states women cannot be priests because in the gospels Jesus chose only male apostles. However, in 1976 the Vatican’s own Pontifical Biblical Commission concluded that there is no scriptural reason to prohibit women’s ordination.
tirdun
staring into the abyss
The arguments traditionally are:
In the traditional Jewish only sons of Aaron could be priests. It was a hereditary position established in Lev 8:12.
In the New Covenant, because Jesus selected only men as apostles it meant only men could act as priests.
I'll leave it to others to expand on this, but those are the two biggest arguments. A number of counter arguments can be found at womenpriests.org
In the traditional Jewish only sons of Aaron could be priests. It was a hereditary position established in Lev 8:12.
In the New Covenant, because Jesus selected only men as apostles it meant only men could act as priests.
I'll leave it to others to expand on this, but those are the two biggest arguments. A number of counter arguments can be found at womenpriests.org
Bustem' Down
Give Peas a Chance
It one of those thing where the Catholic Church made an asumption way back long ago, and in that time, whose going to protest it? Women who had virtually no rights? I think most Protestant religions no longer bar women from being ministers. The Mormon church is run along old testament lines where only men have the preisthood.
One of the passages that is often used is:pixiegirl said:
Another is:
And still one more:
Modern congregations have departed from the organization of the early congregations. Notice that the leader or head of the congregation was called an overseer, not a minister. All Christians are to minister to people. So from scripture, I would say that it is proper in a strict sense that women not be the head of a congregation. But bear in mind that God uses who He uses when He needs them, where He needs them, and for His purpose. If He chooses a woman to lead a congregation, so be it. God has used many women throughout the Bible; pious ones and prostitutes.
But you will know a servant of God by their works. If a minister, overseer, of a congregation teaches or preaches anything clearly contrary to the Bible, then that is a person who's council is to be avoided. Do they teach that any sin is OK? Run. It is never OK to sin. We all sin, but we are to seek forgiveness and not continue in our sin. If a minister teaches otherwise, they are a liar and a deceiver, a devourer, a wolf in sheep's clothing. They can bring no blessing to a marriage or any other ordinance of God.
Tonio
Asperger's Poster Child
An American cardinal once told Cokie Roberts that the Catholic Church hasn't been given authority by God or Jesus to ordain women. He didn't say how the Church knew this.
Biblical scholars generally agree that Paul didn't write 1 Timothy. They refer to that letter and others as "deutero-Pauline" letters, almost certainly written by someone who considered himself a disciple of Paul. I was surprised when I learned this, because this doesn't seem to be common knowledge among Christians.
Biblical scholars generally agree that Paul didn't write 1 Timothy. They refer to that letter and others as "deutero-Pauline" letters, almost certainly written by someone who considered himself a disciple of Paul. I was surprised when I learned this, because this doesn't seem to be common knowledge among Christians.
pixiegirl
Cleopatra Jones
bresamil said:
The thought NEVER crossed my mind!
I was told that a family member would be none too happy that a woman would be marrying us since the bible states that a woman should not be a preacher, minister or the like. My reaction was simple that if said person had such a problem with it that they were free to RSVP that they would not attend. There is NO WAY I'm changing, the venue, minister, etc. 
itsbob
I bowl overhand
Good for you!!pixiegirl said:The thought NEVER crossed my mind!
You and your husband to be are the ones that must be happy with the choice of venue and uniting.pixiegirl said:The thought NEVER crossed my mind!
pixiegirl said:And we both VERY much are.