Wouldn't you just HATE to admit Tom Cruise is right?

Larry Gude

Larry Gude

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No actually...

Lenny said:
I'm am still firmly in Brooke Shield's corner. I might be wrong....

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/14309026/?GT1=8404

.....but I don't think so.
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...it's one of the few things of interest I think the guy has to say.

I've been to enough marriage counseling to know that how we perceive things, our perspective, has a huge amount to do with our feelings.

Now, using PET scanners and MRIs to peer into the heads of patients who respond to sugar pills, researchers have discovered that the placebo effect is not "all in patients' heads" but rather, in their brains. New research shows that belief in a dummy treatment leads to changes in brain chemistry.
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Someone once said 'attitude equals altitude'.
 
SamSpade

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Lenny said:
I'm am still firmly in Brooke Shield's corner. I might be wrong....

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/14309026/?GT1=8404

.....but I don't think so.
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Cruise's *points* aren't what really get him into hot water - but perhaps his hubris, cockiness and delivery do. He's not articulate and doesn't know when to be diplomatic when it clearly calls for it.

There's an awful lot to psychiatry that I do think isn't a far cry from witch doctors. It reads more technical, but an enormous amount of it doesn't pass the smell test for scientific method.
 
Larry Gude

Larry Gude

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They're presenting research...

kwillia said:
Lenny, mind over matter isn't a cure all... it isn't likely that placebos will eradicate cancer nor is it likely they will correct a chemical imbalance such as postpartum depression. I don't see this as a "win" for Cruise. :shrug:
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Now, using PET scanners and MRIs to peer into the heads of patients who respond to sugar pills, researchers have discovered that the placebo effect is not "all in patients' heads" but rather, in their brains. New research shows that belief in a dummy treatment leads to changes in brain chemistry.
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...fact based stuff. Cruise comes off as a whack but doctors will tell us that a great attitude on the part of a patient is better than a bad one.

How many times have people had cancer or the beginings of it, or other illness and, in essence, willed it away, without even knowing, it because their attitude is positive?

Conversely, people who are always complaining of their ills are always...ill. What came first, the horse or the cart?
 
morganj614

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Post partum depression is a hormonal, chemical imbalance. I don't think people can will away such things as schizophrenia, bi-polar disease or any chemical imbalance.
True, a great attitude and laughter can help ease alot and we do have some power over our brains. Not everyone is that strong emotionally though. I still think pills are passed out all to easily when some folks just need a slap up aside the head :smack:
 
kwillia

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Larry Gude said:
...fact based stuff. Cruise comes off as a whack but doctors will tell us that a great attitude on the part of a patient is better than a bad one.

How many times have people had cancer or the beginings of it, or other illness and, in essence, willed it away, without even knowing, it because their attitude is positive?

Conversely, people who are always complaining of their ills are always...ill. What came first, the horse or the cart?
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Lar, I think there is a special place in proverbial hell for people who look at the chronically ill and respond with, "Get over it! Just get up and go on with life! You will be fine!"

I'm not doubting the power of positive thinking and how it can influence a medical situation. I am simply stating that the mind cannot mend all ailments no matter how much faith is put into it.
 
Larry Gude

Larry Gude

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And isn't that...

morganj614 said:
Post partum depression is a hormonal, chemical imbalance. I don't think people can will away such things as schizophrenia, bi-polar disease or any chemical imbalance.
True, a great attitude and laughter can help ease alot and we do have some power over our brains. Not everyone is that strong emotionally though. I still think pills are passed out all to easily when some folks just need a slap up aside the head :smack:
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...Mavericks real point?
 
morganj614

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Larry Gude said:
...Mavericks real point?
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He's a freakin' scientologist, he can read minds :lol: Sure some brain changes may take place but I don't think it is true for everyone.

So let's say someone attack Mr. Cruise with a knife...can he will the bleeding to stop?

His superior attitude is what is getting under peoples skin.
 
Larry Gude

Larry Gude

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Yeah but...

kwillia said:
Lar, I think there is a special place in proverbial hell for people who look at the chronically ill and respond with, "Get over it! Just get up and go on with life! You will be fine!"

I'm not doubting the power of positive thinking and how it can influence a medical situation. I am simply stating that the mind cannot mend all ailments no matter how much faith is put into it.
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...when I get there, I'll be all happy about it and make the best of it! Why, I'll save on heating, won't need as much for cloths, heat's good for my joint pain, I'll open a sauna!


:lmao:


We're on the same page pretty much; A positive attitude helps. maybe more than it gets credit for. I had rhuematic fever as a kid and it put scar tissue on my heart. It's gonna kill me earlier than, all things being equal, otherwise. I know I can't will my way out of it but I do know that thinking well, reacting well and doing all the things that go with it, exercise, moderate drinking, watch the bon bons, all help.

On the flip side, I got treated for apnea; no amount of 'glass half full' was ever gonna change the oxygen depletion my body was suffering.

People have bad hearts and other organs. They have neurological disorders and abnormalities. I do accept that. I also know that people who do the proverbial sitting around and #####ing about everything probably make it worse.
 
Larry Gude

Larry Gude

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Well...

morganj614 said:
He's a freakin' scientologist, he can read minds :lol: Sure some brain changes may take place but I don't think it is true for everyone.

So let's say someone attack Mr. Cruise with a knife...can he will the bleeding to stop?
His superior attitude is what is getting under peoples skin.
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...HE can but us little people could only do that if we're willing to listen to him.



:killingme :lmao:
 
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kwillia said:
Lar, I think there is a special place in proverbial hell for people who look at the chronically ill and respond with, "Get over it! Just get up and go on with life! You will be fine!"

I'm not doubting the power of positive thinking and how it can influence a medical situation. I am simply stating that the mind cannot mend all ailments no matter how much faith is put into it.
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Sad but oh so true.
 
sugarmama

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morganj614 said:
He's a freakin' scientologist, he can read minds :lol: Sure some brain changes may take place but I don't think it is true for everyone.

So let's say someone attack Mr. Cruise with a knife...can he will the bleeding to stop?

His superior attitude is what is getting under peoples skin.
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He was talking about mental illnesses, not physical.
 
Lenny

Lenny

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morganj614 said:
...can he will the bleeding to stop?
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One of the seldom acknowledged truths in medicine is that "all bleeding stops eventually." If that coincides with Tom willing himself to stop bleeding as he walks into the white light, so be it.
 
morganj614

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sugarmama said:
He was talking about mental illnesses, not physical.
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"For years, scientists have looked at the placebo effect as just a figment of overactive patient imaginations. Sure, dummy medications seemed to curb epileptic seizures, lower blood pressure, soothe migraines and smooth out jerky movements in Parkinson's — but these people weren't really better. Or so scientists thought."

epilepsy, blood pressure and migraines are not mental illness. Where did Dr. Cruise get his medical degree?
The power of the placebo is nothing new. I addressed the issue of mental illness. I was making a point on his superior attitude. sheesh
 
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Tonio

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In my view, Cruise's view on antidepressants wasn't necessarily the problem. I think it's legitimate to wonder if some uses of the drugs aren't medically necessary. My objection was that Cruise claimed to know what is best for people. Matt Lauer pegged it: "You want [other people] to do well, but you want them to do well on a road that you approve of."
 
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