You gotta be freaking kidding me

[Midnightrider]

Go back and read about where I talked about how this administration has created an environment of arrogance through ignorance. Obama chooses not to know. He has established a track record of claiming to not know about things, and he finds out the same way we find out – in the news. Sorry, not buying it. The president has just as many advisors and informants as a major news outlet; and more. Obama has access to THE MOST sensitive information one could have, and he claims he doesn’t know? Again

Either the Secret Service chose not to tell Obama about the wedding and allowed him to get on that golf in complete ignorance because they didn’t think it was a big deal to push “the little people” around (which is unconscionable in my opinion) or they told Obama and he said “screw them, I’m playing golf”. Either way, it’s a “we’re a bunch of subjects to be dismissed”. You’re so damn gullible to believe these things happen in a vacuum. Poor, innocent Obama – the most powerful man in the world – didn’t know a thing. Yeah…. Sure!

Gullible says the man who thinks the POTUS opens and responds to his own mail

I have read plenty of your ODS. I know what your 'slant' is. That doesn't have any bearing on this situation. I am certain the secret service makes, and has made, calls like tis for decades and they don't bother 'the boss' over the minutia. When the president, any president, comes to town people are inconvenienced. Its that simple. Everything else is in your head. The couple went into this knowing it could happen and weren't upset when it did

 

[PsyOps]

Gullible says the man who thinks the POTUS opens and responds to his own mail

I have read plenty of your ODS. I know what your 'slant' is. That doesn't have any bearing on this situation. I am certain the secret service makes, and has made, calls like tis for decades and they don't bother 'the boss' over the minutia. When the president, any president, comes to town people are inconvenienced. Its that simple. Everything else is in your head. The couple went into this knowing it could happen and weren't upset when it did

Dude, you were the one that brought Obama's mail into this. You don't know the first damn thing about what Obama does with his mail. I honestly don't care if Obama opens his own mail. What the heck does that have to do with whether the Secret Service informed Obama of a wedding on the golf course he was going to play on; a wedding he was invited to? Oh, I know he didn’t actually get the invitation, it was someone else. We get it, you have the inside scope on all-things-Obama-Whitehouse.

You stated it quite clearly in your typical elitist manner – the same elitist manner in which this administration operates: “they don't bother 'the boss' over the minutia”. We little peons are in the way; even of a round of 18 holes. ‘The boss’ can’t be bothered with such matters of the common people. Weddings planned for months? Pffftt! Military? Pffftt! “I am ‘THE BOSS’ and will have my round of golf.”

Isn’t it interesting Obama had the time to fit a round in at the very time he was invited to the wedding of a couple of HIS troops, and he decided golf – and booting the very couple off the course he was invited to attend – was far more important than honoring a wedding? Regardless of who made that decision, it’s disgraceful.

 

[Midnightrider]

I think most folks are speaking more to the arrogance of this administration and less about the sentiments of the newlyweds. I have no doubt the couple got a kick out of being booted by the president and getting an apologetic phone call. I probably would have too. But, to the point… If the president had any sense of honor for a military couple having their wedding day they have planned for months, it would have been far easier for him to cancel his one out of 800 golf outings so this good military couple could have their wedding. As far as I understand the couple even invited Obama to their wedding and he declined; then turned around and pushed them off the course so he could putz around 18 holes. This has little to do with how the couple feels and more to do with the established track record of arrogance of this president and the people that surround him: “Screw the little people”.

And you're saying the president doesn't open and respond to his own mail? What do you know that the rest of us don't? Regardless of who opens and responds to it, the president is responsible for the information and content. This president has decided it works better for him to claim ignorance on everything. This wedding may be making a mountain of 'not even a molehill', but it speaks to the larger problem we have seen from this president on MAJOR issues that he should have known about and claimed he only learned about it the same way we learn about things - through the news. What would it have cost the Secret Service to have informed the president of this wedding and give him the option to cancel his golf outing? Fact is, the arrogance seems prevalent throughout the administration at almost every level of "screw the little people". Regardless of who knew, someone made the decision that Obama's golf outing was more important than this wedding. This speaks volumes about how this administration views WE THE PEOPLE.

Dude, you were the one that brought Obama's mail into this. You don't know the first damn thing about what Obama does with his mail. I honestly don't care if Obama opens his own mail. What the heck does that have to do with whether the Secret Service informed Obama of a wedding on the golf course he was going to play on; a wedding he was invited to? Oh, I know he didn’t actually get the invitation, it was someone else. We get it, you have the inside scope on all-things-Obama-Whitehouse.

You stated it quite clearly in your typical elitist manner – the same elitist manner in which this administration operates: “they don't bother 'the boss' over the minutia”. We little peons are in the way; even of a round of 18 holes. ‘The boss’ can’t be bothered with such matters of the common people. Weddings planned for months? Pffftt! Military? Pffftt! “I am ‘THE BOSS’ and will have my round of golf.”

Isn’t it interesting Obama had the time to fit a round in at the very time he was invited to the wedding of a couple of HIS troops, and he decided golf – and booting the very couple off the course he was invited to attend – was far more important than honoring a wedding? Regardless of who made that decision, it’s disgraceful.

Nope, you brought it up with your comment about the invitation, and you continue down that same stupid path in this very post.

Btw, you are assuming that Obama gong to the wedding would have been less disruptive. That's a huge assumption. The reality is that you would be claiming it was just as much a travesty if Obama had gone to the wedding. Your ODS is legendary. :Bigwhoop:

 

[PsyOps]

Nope, you brought it up with your comment about the invitation, and you continue down that same stupid path in this very post.

You are one incurable dolt. You don’t have any desire for honest discussion. You make crap up, then claim you didn’t; just to disagree…. with anything. I am wasting no more time with you. You will obviously have the last word with a laugh smilie no doubt.

 

[Midnightrider]

You are one incurable dolt. You don’t have any desire for honest discussion. You make crap up, then claim you didn’t; just to disagree…. with anything. I am wasting no more time with you. You will obviously have the last word with a laugh smilie no doubt.

That's he best you got when I just proved you wrong with your own posts?

:nodoubt:

 

[BOP]

Only to the uninformed who want their rabble roused. Anyone who saw the interview with the couple knows that he didn't ruin anything and in fact they had a beautiful ceremony on a similar spot at the same course. The couple sure wasnt upset. This is just a case of the usual suspects looking for any reason to bash Obama.

They are both in the military; what are they going to do, talk smack about their commander-in-chief on national television? I don't think so, sparky. Not if they want to continue in their chosen careers.

 

[BOP]

If true, they also knew that there was a plan B, that it was no big deal to just move the ceremony, something, reports say, that the couple knew was a possibility and there was a plan for. Good lord, people. The couple is all over the place saying they are very happy, that this wasn't a problem, that they got a kick out of the phone call.

But, we're not gonna let them get away with not having a problem with this, are we now? Glad this is such a satisfying hobby. Good lord.

Like I told midnightrumpranger, what do you think they're going to say, Larry? Do you really think they're going to go on live television and express the fact that they might have been in anyway unhappy with their boss of bosses? Not if they value their continued employment as soldiers in the United States Army they won't.

I'll grant you that they might not have had a problem in the world with what happened. I can't remember how many flights I've been bumped from because some high-ranking knot head decided he wanted to go somewhere. That's life in the military; I know it, most of the people who post here know it, and I'm sure as gawd made little green apples, those 2 soldiers know it. So yeah, they may well have sucked it up and drove on. It's the perception, Larry. It looks as though the clueless wonder in the imperial palace crapped on a military couple's special day.

 

[Midnightrider]

Like I told midnightrumpranger, what do you think they're going to say, Larry? Do you really think they're going to go on live television and express the fact that they might have been in anyway unhappy with their boss of bosses? Not if they value their continued employment as soldiers in the United States Army they won't.

I'll grant you that they might not have had a problem in the world with what happened. I can't remember how many flights I've been bumped from because some high-ranking knot head decided he wanted to go somewhere. That's life in the military; I know it, most of the people who post here know it, and I'm sure as gawd made little green apples, those 2 soldiers know it. So yeah, they may well have sucked it up and drove on. It's the perception, Larry. It looks as though the clueless wonder in the imperial palace crapped on a military couple's special day.

And like I told V, it only looks like that to the uninformed who want their rabble roused. You obviously didn't see the pictures of the wedding or watch the interviews with the couple.

BTW, your homoerotic fixation says a lot about you.

 

[Taz]

Sheesh, it sounds like you two used to be married or something.

 

[BigBlue]

You are one incurable dolt. You don’t have any desire for honest discussion. You make crap up, then claim you didn’t; just to disagree…. with anything. I am wasting no more time with you. You will obviously have the last word with a laugh smilie no doubt.

LOL , look into a mirror buddy.Face it you can't discuss Obama honestly you just proved it .Even when the facts tell you the couple knew it could happen and "were ok with it" you still swear Obama was conspiring against the couple .Let your racist hate go man .

 

[PsyOps]

Like I told midnightrumpranger, what do you think they're going to say, Larry? Do you really think they're going to go on live television and express the fact that they might have been in anyway unhappy with their boss of bosses? Not if they value their continued employment as soldiers in the United States Army they won't.

I'll grant you that they might not have had a problem in the world with what happened. I can't remember how many flights I've been bumped from because some high-ranking knot head decided he wanted to go somewhere. That's life in the military; I know it, most of the people who post here know it, and I'm sure as gawd made little green apples, those 2 soldiers know it. So yeah, they may well have sucked it up and drove on. It's the perception, Larry. It looks as though the clueless wonder in the imperial palace crapped on a military couple's special day.

The couple has a unique incident to attach to their marriage; something they can talk about for the rest of their lives. In the end they were still able to get married. They will live happily ever after. They are also officers in the military; and if anyone knows how officers think, they are very career-minded people and will do almost anything to advance their careers; that would include “shut up and color”.

Midnight said it perfectly: “they don't bother 'the boss' over the minutia”. What sort of arrogance exists in people that a couple’s wedding is considered “minutiae”; that playing a round of golf is of the utmost importance above a couple’s wedding? People like Midnight love their royalty. They have purpose in their lives when they can have someone to worship and raise above them. We elect these people into office, then hold the very people that elected them with contempt.

This arrogance isn’t some isolated incident with this president:

Top 100 Examples of Arrogance of the Obama Presidency in 2013

 

[PsyOps]

Let your racist hate go man.

How tired this 'racist' thing is.

 

[Larry Gude]

Like I told midnightrumpranger, what do you think they're going to say, Larry? Do you really think they're going to go on live television and express the fact that they might have been in anyway unhappy with their boss of bosses? Not if they value their continued employment as soldiers in the United States Army they won't.

I'll grant you that they might not have had a problem in the world with what happened. I can't remember how many flights I've been bumped from because some high-ranking knot head decided he wanted to go somewhere. That's life in the military; I know it, most of the people who post here know it, and I'm sure as gawd made little green apples, those 2 soldiers know it. So yeah, they may well have sucked it up and drove on. It's the perception, Larry. It looks as though the clueless wonder in the imperial palace crapped on a military couple's special day.

Did their wedding get canceled or postponed? Nope. Did they have to move to another spot on the MILITARY BASE GOLF COURSE? Yup. Did they know that was a possibility going in? Yup. Was it planned for and handled in stride by all parties? Yup. Did two members of the United States Military deal with this terrible incident in pretty good shape because they could say nothing else? Or, was it NO EFFING BIG DEAL?

You people are repeating, over and over and over, again that Barack Obama is a narcissist. That he views the world through his, and only his, eyes. This is not new. It wasn't news before '08. What are you looking for, people to say "Oh, my gosh!! Why, he IS a narcissist!"

Our nation isn't going to #### because a malignant narcissistic is running the show. It's going to #### because our system is fully functioning, we have recourse, even put them in power to go be the loyal opposition but, we really don't care that they oppose because we're too busy, and they do it too, so, this isn't some sort of narrow indictment, we're too busy getting all wrapped up in being outraged over what the other guys did that inspired opposition rather than keeping tabs on the people sent to oppose.

The ACA isn't going to stay in effect because Obama is self centered. It's going to stay because the people we sent to repeal it aren't being held responsible to seeing to it.
Immigration isn't going to continue to be a problem in the IS because Obama plays golf regardless of what else is going on. It's going to continue to be a problem because we'd rather get outraged, all over again, at him, rather than see to it that our reps are doing their jobs.

On and on. Issue after issue. Our time and energy goes into finding the latest reason to oppose a guy that we long ago made our minds up that we don't think is worthy of the title.

If anyone is fiddling as Rome burns, it's us. The GOP is now back in power having promised...what? To made the executives golf schedule subordinate to the social calender at the club?

What do you want, really? :shrug:

 

[PsyOps]

Did their wedding get canceled or postponed? Nope. Did they have to move to another spot on the MILITARY BASE GOLF COURSE? Yup. Did they know that was a possibility going in? Yup. Was it planned for and handled in stride by all parties? Yup. Did two members of the United States Military deal with this terrible incident in pretty good shape because they could say nothing else? Or, was it NO EFFING BIG DEAL?

You people are repeating, over and over and over, again that Barack Obama is a narcissist. That he views the world through his, and only his, eyes. This is not new. It wasn't news before '08. What are you looking for, people to say "Oh, my gosh!! Why, he IS a narcissist!"

Our nation isn't going to #### because a malignant narcissistic is running the show. It's going to #### because our system is fully functioning, we have recourse, even put them in power to go be the loyal opposition but, we really don't care that they oppose because we're too busy, and they do it too, so, this isn't some sort of narrow indictment, we're too busy getting all wrapped up in being outraged over what the other guys did that inspired opposition rather than keeping tabs on the people sent to oppose.

The ACA isn't going to stay in effect because Obama is self centered. It's going to stay because the people we sent to repeal it aren't being held responsible to seeing to it.
Immigration isn't going to continue to be a problem in the IS because Obama plays golf regardless of what else is going on. It's going to continue to be a problem because we'd rather get outraged, all over again, at him, rather than see to it that our reps are doing their jobs.

On and on. Issue after issue. Our time and energy goes into finding the latest reason to oppose a guy that we long ago made our minds up that we don't think is worthy of the title.

If anyone is fiddling as Rome burns, it's us. The GOP is now back in power having promised...what? To made the executives golf schedule subordinate to the social calender at the club?

What do you want, really? :shrug:

As long as we keep saying “we know he’s a narcissist; no news here. Move along” and pretend this has no bearing on future leaders then we may as well hang it up. As petty as it may sound – a wedding disrupted – we MUST hold our elected leaders accountable for even the smallest of things. These discussions serve as a means to send a message to future leaders that WE THE PEOPLE will not tolerate being treated like subjects on any level.

My issue is not with whether the couple happily accepts what happened. As it was mentioned… are they actually going to speak out against it? I mean the attitude is “of course Mr. President, we’ll happily move so you can play golf”. They have careers to protect. My issue is with this administration feeling it was a good idea to push them off their plans at all; that a round of golf was more important than their wedding. I’m voicing my concerns to the next president that, if I vote for him/her, I expect them to serve the people, not themselves; that their convenience comes second to THE PEOPLE’S. I will not be treated as a subject to any king. That is not the country I live in.

 

[Larry Gude]

As long as we keep saying “we know he’s a narcissist; no news here. Move along” and pretend this has no bearing on future leaders then we may as well hang it up. As petty as it may sound – a wedding disrupted – we MUST hold our elected leaders accountable for even the smallest of things. .

I could not possibly disagree more. We should be totally happy with the BIG things being held accountable and #### the rest. The rest is for we, the people, the little things we all do. I think you do identify the problem though; we expend most of our effort, emotions and time on the petty little BS things at the expense of the big things. I could give a #### if he had their wedding postponed to play tiddly winks IF he was getting the big things right.

I could not possible disagree more but, I'll go google 'disagree more' and see if I can find some. I think you hit the nail on the head.

 

[PsyOps]

I could not possibly disagree more. We should be totally happy with the BIG things being held accountable and #### the rest. The rest is for we, the people, the little things we all do. I think you do identify the problem though; we expend most of our effort, emotions and time on the petty little BS things at the expense of the big things. I could give a #### if he had their wedding postponed to play tiddly winks IF he was getting the big things right.

I could not possible disagree more but, I'll go google 'disagree more' and see if I can find some. I think you hit the nail on the head.

But that’s the problem, they can’t get the little things right, and this bleeds over into the big things. In the big things what do we get: “I learned about it the same way you did… in the news”, as if to say “I don’t have time for this petty nonsense… going golfing”. This is a chronic dereliction of his responsibilities of “the buck stops here” over and over again.

We expect Obama to send a clear message that we are peons and our everyday lives – things that are important to us – are unimportant to him. Maybe I’m being unrealistic but, I want to know that my life and what I do, is important to the people we elect. These people kiss our asses during campaigns then #### on us when they get into office; and many actually feel blessed when our elitist leaders #### on us. This desire to have someone rule over us is something I just can’t understand.

 

[Larry Gude]

This desire to have someone rule over us is something I just can’t understand.

Well, we've reached a tipping point where we seem to feel pretty powerless. We REALLY want government to protect us, to control one another. I do blame it on the post 9/11 response; be AFRAID. We WILL protect you! Take off your shoes! We're reading your e mails! Shut up! Get in line!"

Look at Snowden; he TOLD us what we were doing to ourselves and he became a villain???? Ponder that one. Why isn't he, in a land of free and brave people, a hero?

It is a lot like 1984. Everything is about secrecy. About forever war. About 2 minutes hate. About people yearning for those few moments with a sense no one is watching, to breath free.

 

[PsyOps]

Well, we've reached a tipping point where we seem to feel pretty powerless. We REALLY want government to protect us, to control one another. I do blame it on the post 9/11 response; be AFRAID. We WILL protect you! Take off your shoes! We're reading your e mails! Shut up! Get in line!"

Look at Snowden; he TOLD us what we were doing to ourselves and he became a villain???? Ponder that one. Why isn't he, in a land of free and brave people, a hero?

It is a lot like 1984. Everything is about secrecy. About forever war. About 2 minutes hate. About people yearning for those few moments with a sense no one is watching, to breath free.

We’ve talked about Snowden. His intentions were in the right place, but his method was wrong. When it comes to classified individuals don’t get to decide what gets exposed and what doesn’t. Lives could be at risk when people take it upon themselves to leak classified; especially directly to our enemies. If you don’t like having our government workers, that handle classified, signing non-disclosure agreements then work to change that law. We talk about obeying existing law until you can get that law changed. Snowden cannot be a hero because a single guy took it upon himself to violate the law and put lives at risk. There were far better ways for him to do what he wanted to do.

I am against this ‘fear’ mentality. This gets exacerbated with us accepting our leaders to hold us with contempt and that we can’t be trusted. We are at a place where we allow terrible events to dictate our well-being and sense of security: 911, Sandy Hook, Boston bombing… I do not know how we turn things around. I do not know how we reign in this environment of fear. Our politicians have become experts at exploiting bad incidents to horde in power to them; and we have become convinced that we need it. This extends into electing people that have bad intentions of treating us like subjects.

 

[Larry Gude]

We’ve talked about Snowden. His intentions were in the right place, but his method was wrong. When it comes to classified individuals don’t get to decide what gets exposed and what doesn’t. Lives could be at risk when people take it upon themselves to leak classified; especially directly to our enemies. If you don’t like having our government workers, that handle classified, signing non-disclosure agreements then work to change that law. We talk about obeying existing law until you can get that law changed. Snowden cannot be a hero because a single guy took it upon himself to violate the law and put lives at risk. There were far better ways for him to do what he wanted to do. .

He's going to get the law changed in a nation filled with people who have accepted the TSA, the DHS and the Patriot Act along with spying on reporters and using the IRS as a political weapon?

How naive can you be?

Yeah, a single guy, standing up against wrong, outing it, that used to be considered heroic.

 

[PsyOps]

He's going to get the law changed in a nation filled with people who have accepted the TSA, the DHS and the Patriot Act along with spying on reporters and using the IRS as a political weapon?

How naive can you be?

Yeah, a single guy, standing up against wrong, outing it, that used to be considered heroic.

Very naive to believe we can actually change things in this country; stop the train, turn it around... something you've been preaching forever.

Martin Luther King Jr
Rosa Parks
Gandhi
Mandela
Mother Teresa
Einstein
Bill Gates

What was I thinking?

Stand up for wrong, but don't put other lives at risk while doing so. Someone that takes our classified and gives/sells it to foreign countries - particularly those that are our enemies - is and should be considered a traitor. It blows me away folks want to call Snowden a hero for this. And it's particularly disturbing someone as smart as you can't see the danger in it.