Your OnStar Could be spying on you

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RadioPatrol

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and other privacy issues .........

http://www.onstarprivacy.com/

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20040203/0222237.shtml
http://www.refuseandresist.org/police_state/art.php?aid=2544
Last year they tried an experiment, for sport. Using computerized biometric technology, they ran a mug shot from the Web site of "America's Most Wanted," the Fox Network television show, against the state's database of nine million digital driver's license photographs.

The computer found a match. A man who looked very much like Robert Howell, the fugitive in the mug shot, had a Massachusetts driver's license under another name. Mr. Howell was wanted in Massachusetts on rape charges.
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http://www.refuseandresist.org/police_state/art.php?aid=1216
http://news.com.com/Rocky+road+for+car+black+boxes/2009-1041_3-5604449.html
http://www.refuseandresist.org/police_state/idx.php
http://www.wired.com/politics/security/news/2005/06/67952
http://www.privacilla.org/government/autoblackbox.html



all new cars also have blackbox technology that could be used against you in a court of law and by your insurance company
 
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FireBrand said:
Whatever shoe fits the best ! :killingme
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http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=87
Of course the government also has an active interest in using GPS to follow the movements of citizens. Some states are now considering mandatory GPS units on all cars to allow for mileage-based taxes instead of (or in addition to) tradition per-gallon taxes. Reportedly, they can't rely on odometer readings for fear that odometers might be tampered with… and they want the option to vary the tax depending on when and where an individual drives.

When a GPS unit is connected to a car, it becomes a trivial matter to store a record of everyplace the driver goes. Some systems will even allow a driver's location to be tracked in real-time. Do we really need a virtual backseat driver in every vehicle, watching our every move? A GPS unit can be highly useful in an automobile when it reports to the driver; not when it transmits a detailed map of our movements to whomever we must answer to. It seems that 1984 is still on its way, it's just going to be a few decades later than anticipated.
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Moonchild

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(Moonchilds hubby here)

Theres actually two different technologies in play here, telematics, like OnStar, which is indeed a two way link. And vehicle EDRs, or Electronic Data recorders, the oft demonized "black box". But there are some mistakes in a few of those articles.

OnStar doesnt record vehicle parameters, EDRs do that. And EDRs dont keep a record, they only freeze the last 15 seconds or so when theres a crash or "near crash event. They dont record voices, only things like braking, throttle, seatbelts, yaw sensor data.

Now, about GPS tracking, telematics equipped vehicles can do that, but most cars with a regular Nav system have no uplink. Erase your trip data, its gone. That thing about "some states" is actually only one state, the fine folks in Oregon. California has made noises, but nothing concrete. Oregon is looking at test results with tentative legislation scheduled for introduction in 2009.

Now, lastly, about black boxes, lots of states are already addressing the privacy issue, I think over 24 at last count, with 10 more pending.

http://www.ncsl.org/programs/lis/privacy/blackbox06.htm

Let your legislator know you demand privacy restrictions on EDRs, but dont just say they should be banned based on scare tactics. Not only can and does that data help safety engineers make safer cars, it can and has been used to convict drivers who kill and theres no witness except imperfect crash reconstruction technques. And can actually vindicate you if your falsely accused of negligent driving.

Sorry for the long post, but to me this topic to eptiomizes the scare tactics used by some folks who prey on ignorance to forward an agenda.
 
bcp

bcp

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sometimes I just like to push the button and listen to Lisa Davis tell me about the onstar.
 
Bustem' Down

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Give Peas a Chance
Like you can't be tracked now through your bank account, credit card, cell phone calls etc. etc. Sometimes people take trivial things and blow them out of proportion.
 
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Moonchild said:
(Moonchilds hubby here)

Theres actually two different technologies in play here, telematics, like OnStar, which is indeed a two way link. And vehicle EDRs, or Electronic Data recorders, the oft demonized "black box". But there are some mistakes in a few of those articles.

OnStar doesnt record vehicle parameters, EDRs do that. And EDRs dont keep a record, they only freeze the last 15 seconds or so when theres a crash or "near crash event. They dont record voices, only things like braking, throttle, seatbelts, yaw sensor data.

Now, about GPS tracking, telematics equipped vehicles can do that, but most cars with a regular Nav system have no uplink. Erase your trip data, its gone. That thing about "some states" is actually only one state, the fine folks in Oregon. California has made noises, but nothing concrete. Oregon is looking at test results with tentative legislation scheduled for introduction in 2009.

Now, lastly, about black boxes, lots of states are already addressing the privacy issue, I think over 24 at last count, with 10 more pending.

http://www.ncsl.org/programs/lis/privacy/blackbox06.htm

Let your legislator know you demand privacy restrictions on EDRs, but dont just say they should be banned based on scare tactics. Not only can and does that data help safety engineers make safer cars, it can and has been used to convict drivers who kill and theres no witness except imperfect crash reconstruction technques. And can actually vindicate you if your falsely accused of negligent driving.

Sorry for the long post, but to me this topic to eptiomizes the scare tactics used by some folks who prey on ignorance to forward an agenda.
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There's a yaw sensor? Why?
 
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Moonchild

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All stability control systems (Stabilitrak and ESP, to name two) use yaw sensor data compared to steering angle data and lateral acceleration data to determine if the vehicle is out of, or going out of control in a corner. If the yaw sensor shows the car turning faster than the steering angle says it should , the car will take action to correct and bring those values back in line.
 
desertrat

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Moonchild said:
All stability control systems (Stabilitrak and ESP, to name two) use yaw sensor data compared to steering angle data and lateral acceleration data to determine if the vehicle is out of, or going out of control in a corner. If the yaw sensor shows the car turning faster than the steering angle says it should , the car will take action to correct and bring those values back in line.
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:lol: And here I thought that was my job.
 
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Moonchild

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Yep, but sometimes, life come at you fast, and this sucker can make a difference when it all goes wrong. I got to spend some time on a wet skid pad handling course at Michelins Laurens, SC test facility, and we drove the same car in all three modes, off, on, and partially disabled.

An amazing difference, really. It feels odd, like some giant has grabbed the car and brought it back in line. But, as odd as it is, it beats spinning out, or going off road. If your a good driver, chances are you'll never see it in action, like ABS, its a safety net for the unexpected. It's the only reason I'll let other folks drive my car, knowing that its there to keep them from getting sideways.
 
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