maybe this Obama 'plan' isn't working out so well

wintersprings

New Member
Even the left has problems with Chairman Obama

Jesus Christ, Darn, PAUL KRUGMAN, in the NYT today, is now taking Obama to task for running this recovery poorly. KRUGMAN! He's been actively loving/felating Obama for 2 years!

Who exactly are you going to trust enough to say "Hrm....maybe this 'plan' isn't working out so well?"
 

xusnret

New Member
Government Bailouts...
Good for America?

Here are the results!

The Total Number of people who voted in this poll: 67200

1) Who is most to blame for America’s current economic crisis?
75% voted: Democrats and US Congress
11% voted: The Bush Administration
2% voted: Wall Street
10% voted: Banks and sub-prime lenders
2% voted: Real estate and mortgage professionals
0% voted: Investors
1% voted: Home buyers
2) Do you agree government bailouts are the answer to America’s financial crisis?
7% voted: Yes
88% voted: No
5% voted: Undecided
3) Do you believe the American taxpayers should have to foot the bill for our financial systems mistakes?
8% voted: Yes, we have to or we’ll end up in a prolonged recession or worse a depression.
23% voted: No, America is too far in debt already.
67% voted: Absolutely not, the American people should never be responsible for bailing out the private sector.
2% voted: Undecided
4) Do you believe the government bailouts will ultimately rescue our country's financial system?
8% voted: Yes
86% voted: No
6% voted: Undecided
5) Do you believe Barack Obama was the best choice to handle the country's future economic policy?
12% voted: Yes
85% voted: No
3% voted: Undecided


Another unscientific poll with only 67k responders so far but it seems that the general opinion is Chairman Barry is taking us down the wrong road. When will the media finally catch on that they pimped out the wrong person.
 

wintersprings

New Member
from Reuters on friday, and they are in the tank for Obama

“President Barack Obama tried to highlight some good news and tout his economic plan on Friday, but the grim reality of plunging employment and faltering stock markets once again stepped on his message.”
 

wintersprings

New Member
More lefties are afraid of what they did

Christopher Buckley has developed a sense of the tragic. In electing Obama, he admits, we may indeed have done worse--a lot worse.

link: liberal Obama

this does not look good for King Obama
 

kom526

They call me ... Sarcasmo
My wife is a lib and she is still having problems finding her nose. (reference to the article) We talk about it every once in a while but her defense of Obama is wavering so she falls back on to the "It's Bush's fault" argument.
 

wintersprings

New Member
My wife is a lib and she is still having problems finding her nose. (reference to the article) We talk about it every once in a while but her defense of Obama is wavering so she falls back on to the "It's Bush's fault" argument.

As one newscaster said

At 6 months, its all the Obama Recession. No blame Bush then.
 

Penn

Dancing Up A Storm
I'm having a bit of a hardtime equating Obama as the "savior" of our country.

The Lord separated the Heavens and the Earth, created lifeforms here, and set the Laws - all in seven days.

What has Obama done for us in the last 45-50 days? :whistle:
 

2ndAmendment

Just a forgiven sinner
PREMO Member
I'm having a bit of a hardtime equating Obama as the "savior" of our country.

The Lord separated the Heavens and the Earth, created lifeforms here, and set the Laws - all in seven days.

What has Obama done for us in the last 45-50 days? :whistle:

The market is down 30% or so since he was elected; 20% since the inauguration. He is spending money like no one in the known history of the world. And, according to one poll, 61% of those polled believe the U.S. could go bankrupt. I actually heard one of the guys on one of the Fox business morning shows say it is time to buy and hold gold since the market may tank to the point of no return.

Gold and ammunition will be the new currencies.
 

2ndAmendment

Just a forgiven sinner
PREMO Member
Still waiting for a Republican Plan.....:snooze:

And we have been waiting for you to stop being an idiot ... and waiting and waiting and waiting.

Want a plan that will work? Leave the economy alone. It will right itself. That is what happened in the Depression era. It was not until the government finally quit dumping money and trying program after program and stopped that the economy recovered. That is the only thing that is going to work now. Try studying history.
 
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kom526

They call me ... Sarcasmo
Still waiting for a Republican Plan.....:snooze:

What good would it do? It wouldn't follow the Communist Manifesto, (oops! Did I type that out loud?) therefore it wouldn't make it through the house.

Republicans say, "Let's cut taxes and reduce spending" (now they say that)

Democrats say, "Look over there! It's Mecha-Limbaugh" (while sending out bailout money to everyone with a hand out)

So I really don't see a workable solution from the left either.

BOHICA
 

This_person

Well-Known Member
Still waiting for a Republican Plan.....:snooze:
Then you should actually look for it. Your a couple of months late:
Washington, DC – Ways and Means Ranking Member Dave Camp (R-MI) highlighted the House Republican Economic Recovery Plan today:

Immediate Tax Relief for Working Families:

Rather than a refundable credit based on payroll taxes, House Republicans propose reducing the lowest individual tax rates from 15% to 10% and from 10% to 5%. As a result every taxpaying-family in America will see an immediate increase in their income with an average benefit of $500 in tax relief from the drop in the 10% bracket and $1,200 for the drop in the 15% bracket. A married couple filing jointly could save up to $3,200 a year in taxes.

Help for America’s Small Businesses:

Small businesses (those employing less than 500 individuals) employ about half of all Americans, yet they can be subject to tax rates that siphon away one-third or more of their income. House Republicans propose to allow small business to take a tax deduction equal to 20% of their income. This will immediately free up funds for small businesses to retain and hire new employees.

No Tax Increases to Pay for Spending:

The stimulus proposal pending in Congress includes record levels of government spending that will substantially increase the current deficit. House Republicans are concerned that this level of spending will result in some proposing near-term tax increases on American families. House Republicans are insisting that any stimulus package include a provision precluding any tax increases now or in the future to pay for this new spending. House Republicans believe that any stimulus spending should be paid for by reducing other government spending, not raising taxes.

Assistance for the Unemployed:

Incredibly, the Federal Government actually imposes income taxes on an individual receiving unemployment benefits. House Republicans propose to make unemployment benefits tax free so that those individuals between jobs can focus on providing for their families. The plan would also extend unemployment benefits from March to December, 2009.

Stabilizing Home Values:

The real-estate market is paralyzed as potential buyers wait on the sidelines waiting for prices to fall even further. This is becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy. In order to encourage responsible buyers to enter the market and stabilize prices, House Republicans propose a home-buyers credit of $7,500 for those buyers who can make a minimum down-payment of 5%.​
Or, you could read what some Republicans are saying:
Inheriting countless challenges, Congress and the Obama administration have moved quickly on many fronts to implement their economic agenda. After two months of drastic interventions, has hope replaced fear, and confidence pushed aside uncertainty? Hardly.

The budget the president released last week, however, does provide some certainty about where we are headed: higher taxes on small businesses, work and capital investment.

Add to this the costly burdens of a cap-and-trade carbon emissions scheme and an effective nationalization of health care, and it is clear that the government is going to grow while the economy will shrink. In a nutshell, the president's budget seemingly seeks to replace the American political idea of equalizing opportunity with the European notion of equalizing results.

A constructive opposition party should be willing to call out the majority when it falls short. More important, Republicans must offer alternatives. In this spirit, here is what I would do differently:

- A pro-growth tax policy. Rather than raise the top marginal income tax rate to 39.6%, it should be dropped to 25%. The lower tax brackets should be collapsed to one 10% rate on the first $100,000 for couples. And the top corporate tax rate should be lowered to 25%. This modest reform would put American companies' tax liability more in line with the prevailing rates of our competitors.

We've seen 10 years of growth in our equity markets wiped out in recent months, while 401(k)s, IRAs and college savings plans are down by an average of 40%. The administration and congressional Democrats want to raise capital gains tax rates by a third. Instead, we should eliminate the capital gains tax. It supplies about 4% of federal revenues, yet it places a substantial drag on economic growth. Individuals already pay taxes on income when they earn it. They should not be socked again when they are saving and investing for their retirement and their children's education.

Capital gains taxes are a needless burden on investment, savings and risk-taking, activities in short supply these days. Getting rid of this tax could help establish a floor on stock prices and stem the decline in the value of retirement plans by increasing the after-tax rate of return on capital.

Democrats oppose this, playing on emotions of fear and envy. But while class warfare may make good short-term politics, it produces terrible economics.

- Guarantee sound money. For the last decade, the Federal Reserve's easy-money policy has helped fuel the housing bubble that precipitated our current crisis. We need to return to a sound money policy. That would end uncertainty, help keep interest rates down, and increase the confidence entrepreneurs and investors need to take the risks required for future growth.

I believe the best way to guarantee sound money is to use an explicit, market-based price guide, such as a basket of commodities, in setting monetary policy. A more politically realistic path to price stability would be for the Fed to explicitly embrace inflation targeting.

Transcripts from recent meetings of the Federal Open Market Committee meetings suggest that the Fed may already be moving in this direction. This would be an improvement over the status quo: It could help combat near-term deflation concerns while also calming the market's longer-term inflation fears.

- Fix the financial sector. A durable economic recovery requires a solution to the banking crisis. There are no easy or painless solutions, but the most damaging solution over the long term would be to nationalize our financial system. Once we put politicians in charge of allocating credit and resources in our economy, it is hard to imagine them letting go.

The underlying structural problem at our financial institutions is the toxic assets infecting their balance sheets and impairing their operations. In order to help purge these assets from the system, we need a government-sponsored, comprehensive solution, but one that is transparent and temporary, and which leverages -- rather than chases away -- private-sector capital.

The general idea is to establish an entity or fund to purchase troubled assets from financial institutions and then hold them until they could be sold once the market has recovered. The Treasury has announced its intention to use capital from the Troubled Asset Relief Program, along with financing from the Fed's soon-to-be operational Term Asset-Backed Securities Loan Facility, to set up such an entity. It will be a tall task to get all the details and incentives right, but the administration's general strategy appears to be sound.

A good model for this government-sponsored entity is the Resolution Trust Corporation (RTC), which helped clean up bank failures in the wake of the savings-and-loan crisis in the late 1980s and early 1990s by absorbing and selling off bad bank assets. The circumstances of today's financial sector are different, but the goals of our current efforts should mirror the general merits of an RTC-like entity. We should aim to recoup a portion of our initial expenditures, and we should leave only a fleeting government footprint on the financial sector and the economy.

- Get a grip on entitlements. With $56 trillion in unfunded liabilities and our social insurance programs set to implode, we must tackle the entitlement crisis. President Barack Obama deserves credit for his recent efforts to build a bipartisan consensus on entitlement reform. But we can't solve the entitlement problem unless we acknowledge why the costs are exploding, and then take action.

I have proposed legislation, called "A Roadmap for America's Future," that would bring permanent solvency to Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security. By transforming these open-ended entitlements into a system with a defined benefit safety net for the low-income and chronically ill, in conjunction with an individually owned, defined contribution system for health and retirement, we can reach the goal of these programs without bankrupting the next generation. It would also show the world and the credit markets that we are serious about our debt and unfunded liabilities.

Republicans can help Washington become part of the solution, not part of the problem. We can do this by pushing to enact tax policies that boost incentives for economic growth and job creation, focus the Fed on price stability, fix our banking system to get credit flowing again, stop reckless spending, and reform our entitlement programs.

Our economy is begging for clear leadership that inspires confidence and hope that the entrepreneurial spirit will flourish again. Our goal must be to offer Americans that leadership.

Mr. Ryan, from Wisconsin, is ranking Republican on the House Budget Committee and also serves on Ways and Means.
 
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This_person

Well-Known Member
:killingme Still waiting for a Republican Plan.....:snooze:
NOTE: According to an analysis of the House GOP and congressional Democratic economic plans, using a methodology employed by President Obama’s own nominee as Chair of the White House Council of Economic Advisors, Dr. Christina Romer, the House Republican economic recovery package would create 133,000 jobs by December 2010 – 54,000 more jobs than the 79,000 created under the congressional Democrats’ trillion-dollar spending plan.
 

kom526

They call me ... Sarcasmo
Then you should actually look for it. Your a couple of months late:
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Mr. Ryan, from Wisconsin, is ranking Republican on the House Budget Committee and also serves on Ways and Means.[/indent]

You know if it wasn't on HuffPo or Kooks then it wasn't going to get cut and pasted here.
 

kom526

They call me ... Sarcasmo
Oh, THERE it is! Probably will take a bit of compromise and bipartisanship to make that work.

Since it wasn't spewed forth by Barry O, Scary Reid, or Nazi Pelousy and it doesn't reward stupidity and laziness by taking from the producers of this country, then no, it would not work.
 

This_person

Well-Known Member
Oh, THERE it is! Probably will take a bit of compromise and bipartisanship to make that work.
Mr. Reid has already explained that bipartisanship is not required in the House, as they have such a large majority. Recent bills have proven that the party in current control of the House have zero desire to do anything in a bipartisan manner.

Meanwhile, this has been out since January, so I'm not surprised you haven't read it yet (it doesn't fit your skewed view of the world). I'm glad to have the opportunity to provide you with the plan you didn't know has been there for a couple of months.

See, Reagan took over an economy worse than this, utilized the concepts of this plan, and recovered the economy. Then, he worked in a bipartisan manner with his Democrat Congress, and screwed us over with a huge deficit because of it.
 
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