30,417,609 Paid $0 Income Taxes, Got $89.6 Billion Back

[GURPS]

Of the 150,493,263 filers who submitted individual income tax returns to the Internal Revenue Service for the 2015 tax year, only 99,040,729 paid any income tax at all.

Together, those Americans paid a record $1,457,891,441,000 in total income taxes — for an average of $14,720 per taxpayer.

The other 51,452,534 — or about 34.2 percent of all filers — did not pay a penny. Their average income tax payment was $0.

This is a fundamental divide in the American tax system. On one side are those who do pay taxes; on the other, those who don't.

And the divide gets worse.

There were 30,417,609 filers who did not pay income taxes and received $89,614,869,000 in cash back from the federal government.

In other words, they got $89,614,869,000 in welfare payments.

We know this because the IRS tells us so. It calls the $89,614,869,000 in cash that the federal government paid to tax-return filers who paid no taxes the "refundable portion" of "refundable credits."



30,417,609 Paid $0 Income Taxes, Got $89.6 Billion Back

 

[officeguy]

And yet those of us who pay get attacked for not 'paying our fair share'.

 

[Monello]

FairTax does away with this sort of nonsense.

 

[officeguy]

And billions of those refundable credits will be eaten by interest on 'refund anticipation loans' from crooks like Liberty Tax, Jackson Hewitt and HR Block. But BestBuy and the NFL have to live too, how else are people going to buy those big screen TVs and their 'league pass'.

 

[transporter]

Just wondering if any of you bothered to look at GURP"s article?? Did you look at the chart? No? Did you look at the IRS statistics website: https://www.irs.gov/statistics/soi-...ical-tables-by-size-of-adjusted-gross-income? Didn't do that either? Click on the site...scroll down the page till you see this title "All Returns: Tax Liability, Tax Credits, and Tax Payments" then click on 2015.

So here are a couple of additional facts from the chart that you might have looked up before you shot your idiotic mouths off:

1. Of the 51 million returns that owed no tax...47 million reported gross income of under $25,000.

2. Of the 30 million filers who got refundable tax credits, roughly 23.5 million had gross income of under $25,000.

Any of you knuckle draggers want to provide for a family with $25,000 of gross income?

Oh...here is another piece of info for you all: Check out Table 1.6 under this heading/sub heading: All Returns: Number of Returns
Classified by: Size of Adjusted Gross Income, Marital Status, and Age of Taxpayer (you'll have to click on 2014 as the 2015 link brings up the wrong Table for some reason)

Look at the column titled "No Adjusted Gross Income" (it is easy to find...it is the 3rd column...you count on the fingers of one hand and scroll the mouse with the other)...which age group has the largest block of "No Adjusted Gross Income"??? "65 and over".

You all still want to whine??? About helping out the poorest among us??? TWO FREAKING DAYS BEFORE CHRISTMAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[officeguy]

Just wondering if any of you bothered to look at GURP"s article?? Did you look at the chart? No? Did you look at the IRS statistics website: https://www.irs.gov/statistics/soi-...ical-tables-by-size-of-adjusted-gross-income? Didn't do that either? Click on the site...scroll down the page till you see this title "All Returns: Tax Liability, Tax Credits, and Tax Payments" then click on 2015.

So here are a couple of additional facts from the chart that you might have looked up before you shot your idiotic mouths off:

1. Of the 51 million returns that owed no tax...47 million reported gross income of under $25,000.

2. Of the 30 million filers who got refundable tax credits, roughly 23.5 million had gross income of under $25,000.

Any of you knuckle draggers want to provide for a family with $25,000 of gross income?

Oh...here is another piece of info for you all: Check out Table 1.6 under this heading/sub heading: All Returns: Number of Returns
Classified by: Size of Adjusted Gross Income, Marital Status, and Age of Taxpayer (you'll have to click on 2014 as the 2015 link brings up the wrong Table for some reason)

Look at the column titled "No Adjusted Gross Income" (it is easy to find...it is the 3rd column...you count on the fingers of one hand and scroll the mouse with the other)...which age group has the largest block of "No Adjusted Gross Income"??? "65 and over".

You all still want to whine??? About helping out the poorest among us??? TWO FREAKING DAYS BEFORE CHRISTMAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And your point is ?

 

[Lurk]

Just wondering if any of you bothered to look at GURP"s article?? Did you look at the chart? No? Did you look at the IRS statistics website: https://www.irs.gov/statistics/soi-...ical-tables-by-size-of-adjusted-gross-income? Didn't do that either? Click on the site...scroll down the page till you see this title "All Returns: Tax Liability, Tax Credits, and Tax Payments" then click on 2015.

So here are a couple of additional facts from the chart that you might have looked up before you shot your idiotic mouths off:

1. Of the 51 million returns that owed no tax...47 million reported gross income of under $25,000.

2. Of the 30 million filers who got refundable tax credits, roughly 23.5 million had gross income of under $25,000.

Any of you knuckle draggers want to provide for a family with $25,000 of gross income?

Oh...here is another piece of info for you all: Check out Table 1.6 under this heading/sub heading: All Returns: Number of Returns
Classified by: Size of Adjusted Gross Income, Marital Status, and Age of Taxpayer (you'll have to click on 2014 as the 2015 link brings up the wrong Table for some reason)

Look at the column titled "No Adjusted Gross Income" (it is easy to find...it is the 3rd column...you count on the fingers of one hand and scroll the mouse with the other)...which age group has the largest block of "No Adjusted Gross Income"??? "65 and over".

You all still want to whine??? About helping out the poorest among us??? TWO FREAKING DAYS BEFORE CHRISTMAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And you stupidly believe that this somehow invalidates the original post?

 

[MiddleGround]

Just wondering if any of you bothered to look at GURP"s article?? Did you look at the chart? No? Did you look at the IRS statistics website: https://www.irs.gov/statistics/soi-...ical-tables-by-size-of-adjusted-gross-income? Didn't do that either? Click on the site...scroll down the page till you see this title "All Returns: Tax Liability, Tax Credits, and Tax Payments" then click on 2015.

So here are a couple of additional facts from the chart that you might have looked up before you shot your idiotic mouths off:

1. Of the 51 million returns that owed no tax...47 million reported gross income of under $25,000.

2. Of the 30 million filers who got refundable tax credits, roughly 23.5 million had gross income of under $25,000.

Any of you knuckle draggers want to provide for a family with $25,000 of gross income?

Oh...here is another piece of info for you all: Check out Table 1.6 under this heading/sub heading: All Returns: Number of Returns
Classified by: Size of Adjusted Gross Income, Marital Status, and Age of Taxpayer (you'll have to click on 2014 as the 2015 link brings up the wrong Table for some reason)

Look at the column titled "No Adjusted Gross Income" (it is easy to find...it is the 3rd column...you count on the fingers of one hand and scroll the mouse with the other)...which age group has the largest block of "No Adjusted Gross Income"??? "65 and over".

You all still want to whine??? About helping out the poorest among us??? TWO FREAKING DAYS BEFORE CHRISTMAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You seem to be OK with the lowest-earning Americans getting breaks and returns that are definitely NOT based on their earnings but, you are diametrically opposed to the persons that pay the most and highest taxes in the nation from getting the tax breaks they deserve?

If you truely believed in helping 'people' then it would be ALL people. Not just the poor or low-earning.

 

[Gilligan]

And you stupidly believe that this somehow invalidates the original post?

If TJ believes anything at all, it is naturally "stupidly so"

 

[Gilligan]

Just wondering if any of you gave away as much to charity as I did this year.

Good question sugar britches .......how much DID you give away?

 

[Hijinx]

Good question sugar britches .......how much DID you give away?

LOL



You do know she won't come back to answer that one don't you?

 

[GURPS]

Any of you knuckle draggers want to provide for a family with $25,000 of gross income?

You all still want to whine??? About helping out the poorest among us??? TWO FREAKING DAYS BEFORE CHRISTMAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you truely believed in helping 'people' then it would be ALL people. Not just the poor or low-earning.

how about NOT robbing people at gun point to pay some lay-about to sit on his / her ass all day

 

[LightRoasted]

If I may ...

FairTax does away with this sort of nonsense.

Nope. It would not. It is because of our current debt based money system.... and usury. If there were a "fair tax", there would be far more poverty than already exists. There cannot be a "fair tax" in an unfair monetary system. The reason for all these "refund programs", where one does not pay income taxes, is to keep the masses from revolting. The same for all of the welfare programs in existence. All money, always as a loan, is created out of thin air via a ledger entry either written, or digitally through computer. But only the principal amount is created. The interest required to repay is never created.

Think of it this way in the beginning as a simplistic view. The very first loan is given to someone for $100 at 10% interest (usury) for one year using the borrower's house as collateral. The banker prints up, in his back office, 100 pretty pieces of paper and then gives them to the borrower. At the end of the year that person has to pay back $110 in pretty pieces of paper. With no other loans made to anyone else, there is only $100 pretty pieces of paper total in existence. There is no extra money, pretty pieces of paper, in the system to pay the $10 in interest. Since the borrower can't pay the $10, of pretty pieces of paper, he loses his house, the banker moves in, and the borrower is now homeless. This very exact thing happens today, but the banker doesn't move in. And excepting the US Treasury prints those pretty pieces of paper for the bank giving a perceived provenance. So new loans to other people, business, corporations, municipalities, cities, towns, governments, etc., etc., etc., must be made to keep the system going ad infinitum. Hence the Federal Reverse's target inflation rate (expansion of the money supply) of 2% annually. Which today is more like 8-15% inflation.

Then add in the financial chicanery on wall street allowed by our government, through repeal of certain financial laws, the allowed off-shoring of manufacturing jobs, the allowed merger of banks leaving basically five huge ones that control much of everything financial, means that those at the top siphon most of all new money created leaving the system wanting of a proper amount of currency to economically function where the money is spread around where everyone benefits. With this system, there will always be losers, through no fault of their own, because the system is designed that way. Many, most, people cannot be blamed of their financial demise or current economic situation. Yet, the media would have us believe these people are scofflaws, irresponsible, deserving of their economic woes because of bad choices they supposedly made. And while there have always been economic losers, solely because of the system, today there are many, many more economic losers because of the irresponsibly of those we have elected over the decades. It is because of our debt based money system, government lackeys, and the Federal Reserve.

So before people start going off, or continue, and blaming those people for being a drain on the tax system, or society, because they don't pay any income taxes, or they are on welfare, or any other number reasons they receive monetary benefits, know this; A super majority of problems, economic, crime, health, business, trade, employment, etc., are caused by, and corresponding solution machinations will never work, because of the underlying problem, the actual incontrovertible origin, that is never addressed... It is a direct result of the Federal Reserve (debt based) Monetary System.

 

[MiddleGround]

how about NOT robbing people at gun point to pay some lay-about to sit on his / her ass all day

A little excessive in making your point isn't it? Does someone actually show up at your door with a gun to take your money?

Unfortunately, there will ALWAYS be people that scam the system and there are so many of them that policing it or enforcing rules is just not feasable. What would you suggest to fix the problem?

The reason for all these "refund programs", where one does not pay income taxes, is to keep the masses from revolting. The same for all of the welfare programs in existence.

Completely agree with this. You are essentially paying people to not become criminals because there will always be those who are looking for the easy way/quick hand out.

 

[Starman]

A little excessive in making your point isn't it? Does someone actually show up at your door with a gun to take your money?

It’s certainly more truth than exaggerated metaphor. You think taxes are voluntary?

Statism: ideas so good they have to be enforced at gunpoint.

 

[GURPS]

A little excessive in making your point isn't it? Does someone actually show up at your door with a gun to take your money?

Who do you think is going to show up at my door if I do not file my taxes ?

MEN With GUNS ... not the boy scouts

And the Courts will order the confiscation of my assets, those people will be escorted by men with guns ....

 

[b23hqb]

Of the 150,493,263 filers who submitted individual income tax returns to the Internal Revenue Service for the 2015 tax year, only 99,040,729 paid any income tax at all.

Together, those Americans paid a record $1,457,891,441,000 in total income taxes — for an average of $14,720 per taxpayer.

The other 51,452,534 — or about 34.2 percent of all filers — did not pay a penny. Their average income tax payment was $0.

This is a fundamental divide in the American tax system. On one side are those who do pay taxes; on the other, those who don't.

And the divide gets worse.

There were 30,417,609 filers who did not pay income taxes and received $89,614,869,000 in cash back from the federal government.

In other words, they got $89,614,869,000 in welfare payments.

We know this because the IRS tells us so. It calls the $89,614,869,000 in cash that the federal government paid to tax-return filers who paid no taxes the "refundable portion" of "refundable credits."



30,417,609 Paid $0 Income Taxes, Got $89.6 Billion Back

In other words, they got $89,614,869,000 in welfare payments.

Don't forget, that nearly $90 billion is extra gravy on top of the annyal estimate of $1.155 TRILLION regular monthly welfare, food stamps, child support checks, medicaid, etc., by federal, state, and local entities.

https://www.usgovernmentspending.com/us_welfare_spending_40.html

 

[MiddleGround]

Who do you think is going to show up at my door if I do not file my taxes ?

More than likely, no one. My guess is that they will garnish any income that you have until the debt (if any) is paid in full. Please don't make it sound like armed marshals will be at your door with a waterboard because we both know that just isn't true.

 

[PeoplesElbow]

Who do you think is going to show up at my door if I do not file my taxes ?

MEN With GUNS ... not the boy scouts

And the Courts will order the confiscation of my assets, those people will be escorted by men with guns ....

A middle aged man in a suit that has high cholesterol and probably hemorrhoids.

 

[Starman]

More than likely, no one. My guess is that they will garnish any income that you have until the debt (if any) is paid in full. Please don't make it sound like armed marshals will be at your door with a waterboard because we both know that just isn't true.

The sole role of government in society is to maintain the monopoly on violence. Of course armed agents will show up at your door with the intent of locking you in a cage. If that weren't the case, then one could say that taxes are voluntary, and you know that's not the case.