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Originally posted by demsformd
Read this. A piece by syndicated columnist Mark Shields...a good independent thinker.
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Government employees, like their private counterparts, are only as motivated as their management allows them to be. The group that I work with is extremely motivated and dedicated to the tasks at hand. We understand our role and function within the big picture and we strive to be the best at what we do. Like you, I have seen others that aren’t motivated but they are the exception rather than the rule. Government employees are not hard to fire either (another of many myths being bantered about by those that have no clue), the supervisor must thoroughly document performance issues to remove a person but it isn’t difficult and is done. For other types of dismissals (misconduct, security violations, etc.) it is even easier. They also don’t get promoted unless they can demonstrate that they are qualified for a position. With the centralization of the HRO functions it is virtually impossible to receive an unjustified promotion. And we certainly have to worry about the satisfaction of our customers. Within my competency we are almost fully direct funded, without our customer base bringing work to us (and the associated funding) we would fold. That is why we are very customer oriented.Originally posted by Bruzilla
I hate to crap on government workers, but they frequently do leave a lot to be desired. They usually do suffer from a lack of motivation because it's dang near impossible to fire them, they get paid the same amount whether they do the minimum or the maximum, you can still get promoted regardless of how much or how little effort you expend, and you don't have to worry about ticking off your customer and losing business since your income is from tax dollars.
Originally posted by Heretic
Bru, I work for a cost recovery center meaning that we take alot of outside work, we charge $48 an hour. We have some contractors working along side us and they cost a program $80+ depending on who the company works for.
Well, I’ve worked for, or with, the Federal Government for over 25 years now, and I personally know of over 2 dozen firings here at Patuxent River. I am also knowledgeable of various RIFs that have impacted many Federal Employees with a lay-off. They happen, matter of fact many here at Pax just got a nice little mailing from HRO on the topic of RIF. I spent about 6 years as a steward and Chief Steward for the local American Federation of Government Employees Local here at Pax.Originally posted by Bruzilla
I've worked for, or with, the Federal Government for 25 years now, and I've never, ever, seen an employee fired or layed off. Never. If a budget gets cut, those people get moved over to another position that's funded. If they are screw ups they get transferred or promoted.
Now I'm sure that some employees have been fired or layed off... I'm just saying I've never seen it happen.
Federal employees get compensated for the time they work, even exempt employees. Don’t know what gave you the idea that they didn’t.By the way... in my 25 years of service I've never gotten one penny of overtime despite working between 45-70+ hours a week. I also do not get comp time either. As an exempt employee I'm expected to get the job done regardless of how long it takes, and if I have to put in a ton of uncompensated hours, that's just a cost of doing business. So if you're not getting paid for working extra hours as a government employee, all I can say is welcome to the club.
Originally posted by Ken King
Well, I’ve worked for, or with, the Federal Government for over 25 years now, and I personally know of over 2 dozen firings here at Patuxent River. I am also knowledgeable of various RIFs that have impacted many Federal Employees with a lay-off. They happen, matter of fact many here at Pax just got a nice little mailing from HRO on the topic of RIF. I spent about 6 years as a steward and Chief Steward for the local American Federation of Government Employees Local here at Pax.
Federal employees get compensated for the time they work, even exempt employees. Don’t know what gave you the idea that they didn’t.
They might have told you that but it is . The laws/regulations governing Federal pay (including overtime and compensatory time) are very clear and a federal employee cannot suffer work without compensation.Originally posted by Bruzilla
I've always been told by the Govies that I support that they do not get paid for extra hours, and more than a few of them have trouble getting comp time.
I don't think that is the case. Compensatory time does have restrictions, like you can only carry over 80 hours to the next leave year. Excess compensatory time is cashed out if over the carry over amount. Remember we are talking about the Fed and they have rules and regulations for everything. Maybe some of those making these claims just don't know the rules or are going on what some other person lacking knowledge has told them versus what is factually accurate.Originally posted by alex
Ken,
Maybe they get the comp time but have trouble using it?
Often comp time usage rules are very restrictive. I know one place where I worked you were not allowed to use more than 2 comp days in a row and they could not be combined with vacation time or used to extend a holiday i.e., make a three day weekend into a 4 or 5 day weekend. Plus it could not be carried over. It was considered use or loss time.