Beware of Waldorf/Leonardtown Ford

vraiblonde

Board Mommy
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JenArg said:
Why would the General Manager know all about this if there wasn't any "wrong doing"??? Why would a service technician feel that the General Manager should be aware of it? Fishy.. huh?
Not fishy at all. If you ranted to the service tech the way you're ranting on here, he certainly made the GM aware of the problem. If he *didn't* inform the GM, THAT would be fishy.

I take these "consumer complaints" with a grain of salt. When I worked at Midas 20 years ago, we used to get people coming in all the time raving about something or another that we didn't have anything to do with.

I also got at least one person a week who wanted to ream me out because I couldn't give them an exhaust estimate over the phone, sight unseen. And I couldn't give an estimate over the phone because you just never know what you're going to run into once you actually see the vehicle. People say, oh, it just needs a new muffler - then you see the vehicle and all the pipes are rusted out. Or they say they just need new brake pads, but you find that they need a hell of a lot more than that.

The good ones were when they'd come in for service, drive out happily under warranty. Then they'd let their brother's friend's nephew "tighten a few things up", and try to tell us the resulting damage was *our* fault.

And some of you have seen the emails we get here at Somd.com :lol:
 

Booboo3604

Active Member
MZsport700 said:
Is that a record? Almost 2.5 years before the first post. I have been lurking for a long time and have probably read almost half all the threads in the "life in SOMD" forum since registering. I only registered to PM someone about some Richmond Nascar tickets they were looking to sell.
I am still waiting to get pounced on, I have seen some harsh posts.
SOMD.com is great. I have sold and bought some things using the SOMD classifieds.
And yes, I get all worked up about people saying Toyota is more "American" than Ford. What a crock!


I am not sure whether its more american or not. Me personally I would rather have toyota building my car whether it be americans, chinese, japanese, indians building the thing. I have a toyota, my boyfriend's truck is a Ford and we have put more money into his truck fixing stuff in the 2 and half years that we have been together than I have from the day I drove mine off the lot, oil changes and everything.

I wasnt trying to be harsh, its just funny the stuff that brings people out of the woodwork.
 

JenArg

New Member
vraiblonde said:
Not fishy at all. If you ranted to the service tech the way you're ranting on here, he certainly made the GM aware of the problem. If he *didn't* inform the GM, THAT would be fishy.


Actually, I didn't rant at the service tech. He was a pretty decent guy, except for the fact that he lied to me, but I didn't know about that at the time I spoke to him. It was when I realized that I was lied to about my warranty and after I got the true diagnosis from my mechanic is when I called the "Manager", who was on the "defensive" when I told him my name. He also told me that he was the owner when I asked to speak to his boss, and this was a bald face lie as it is not hard to investigate to find out the owner's name of the dealership.

And the owner is a Mr. Thomas Kody, who also owns Waldorf Ford, Waldorf Dodge, Waldorf Ford Used Car Center, Indian Head Ford, Prince Frederick Ford, Richmond Ford and Car Center of Waldorf I've also found out that these dealerships can't keep an "honest mechanic" employed.

The problems that I have been experiencing go back to the beginning of last summer and while we were still covered under warranty. When the problem started, I first went to Waldorf, since it was closer to work. They wanted to charge me $700 for some fancy tune-up to fix the problem. They never even drove the vehicle because the issue was the back tires would "skip" when we would take off from a complete stop. I knew they were full of crap, so I paid my $99 diagnostic fee, and went to Leonardtown. Here, they at least did a test drive with us BUT they never wrote it down as a "service ticket". So I can't prove I was there, which the "manager" took great pleasure in telling me.

They told me that it was a "tire problem" and that I should rotate the tires, because a "slight" difference in the size of tires, will cause this problem but it was nothing to be concerned about. Since we had just purchased new tires, this seemed to be a likely solution. We rotated the tires and it seemed to make a difference.

Every now and then, we would feel it happen again, but no worries, right? The service guy said it wouldn't harm anything. But then a few weeks ago, it started to get much worse so we took it back, thinking that it was still under warranty because when I purchased the truck, they told me the warranty started from the miles that were on the vehicle when purchased. The exact words were.. "This warranty will take you over 100,000 miles". Yeah.. not true. The warranty started at 0 miles and I purchased the vehicle used. It was in the "fine print". My bad. Another thing the manager pointed out to me in a very snarky voice.

The only reason I took it to the dealer in the first place was because after having it looked at by our mechanic, (way back when) he thought it was probably a warranty issue.

Before taken it back this second time, we had found a "bulletin" issued by Ford on 03/06/06, informing the service centers about "Axle chatter, Shudder, or Binding sensation in the rear" for the 2003-2004 Ford Expeditions, Explorers, and Mustangs. Hey.. it's a known problem, it desribes our problems, so another reason we assumed it would be "warranty work".


So when I took it back to Leonardtown, they charged me $83 to tell me it was probably a "4x4 Electronic Module" (or something like that) was the problem. 3.5 hours in labor, $309 for the part, and 14% of the labor for "shop supplies" for an estimate of $620. They also said that they couldn't guarantee it would fix the problem. They would have to run another $83 diagnostic check after installing it, and oh.. by the way, you aren't covered under warranty anymore. I told them not to do any work and I would take it my mechanic.

So, my mechanic, bless his heart, borrowed one of these modules, and put it in (took him 15 minutes.. not 3 hours) and it wasn't even an issue. I should tell you that a good friend of ours is our mechanic and an authorized Ford technician who works at a private repair shop.

The actual problem with my truck? The transfer case is totally roached, and there seems to be an electrical problem too. It looks like we have been driving on it for awhile now, since the damage is so bad. We are pretty sure that it went bad, back when we first took it to the dealership.

Of course we can't prove it, but we have a feeling they knew exactly what our problem was from the get-go. But since I was pretty close to my warranty expiring, they lied to me so they wouldn't have to make the repairs.

We are now well over $1000 for repairs, and it all could of been avoided, if we hadn't been dealing with crooks.
 

Ponytail

New Member
Write a letter to Ford Consumer Services. CC the Attorney general HERE AND in whatever state that Ford Consumer Services is located in. CC the better Business Bureau and also CC the GM at any dealership that you took your vehicle to for this problem, whether you have it documented or not, and with teh letter include copies of ANY and all documentation that you have...warranty, bill of sale, repair bills, etc.

In the letter, as PROFESIONAL a manner as possible, detailing your expereince of ownership of this vehicle beginning with the purchase and be as specific as possible, giving dates, times and names where ever possible. Include statements such as ..."Due to the experiences with this vehicle and the disappointing service that I have recieved, I have recommended to at least 5 friends and/co-workers that they purchase their vehicles elsewhere. I KNOW for a fact that due to my recommendation and expereinces, several have decided to by a brand other than Ford and have been very happy with their purchase. I can promise that I will not be a returning Ford Customer if this issue is not resloved to my satisfaction."

THEN you need to list what will make you happy. How can Ford make it up to you?

It MAY get you action, and it may not. I went through a similar experience with Dodge and writing a letter of this nature worked for me.

Good Luck.
 

Wickedwrench

Stubborn and opinionated
JenArg said:
I should tell you that a good friend of ours is our mechanic and an authorized Ford technician who works at a private repair shop.

I should tell you that authorized Ford technicians are no longer authorized Ford technicians once they leave the dealership. I should know as I've been one for almost 20 years now.
 

Wickedwrench

Stubborn and opinionated
Ponytail said:
Write a letter to Ford Consumer Services. CC the Attorney general HERE AND in whatever state that Ford Consumer Services is located in. CC the better Business Bureau and also CC the GM at any dealership that you took your vehicle to for this problem, whether you have it documented or not, and with teh letter include copies of ANY and all documentation that you have...warranty, bill of sale, repair bills, etc.

In the letter, as PROFESIONAL a manner as possible, detailing your expereince of ownership of this vehicle beginning with the purchase and be as specific as possible, giving dates, times and names where ever possible. Include statements such as ..."Due to the experiences with this vehicle and the disappointing service that I have recieved, I have recommended to at least 5 friends and/co-workers that they purchase their vehicles elsewhere. I KNOW for a fact that due to my recommendation and expereinces, several have decided to by a brand other than Ford and have been very happy with their purchase. I can promise that I will not be a returning Ford Customer if this issue is not resloved to my satisfaction."

THEN you need to list what will make you happy. How can Ford make it up to you?

It MAY get you action, and it may not. I went through a similar experience with Dodge and writing a letter of this nature worked for me.

Good Luck.

This is a good plan.:yay: And from what I have seen it normally gets results.
 

BS Gal

Voted Nicest in 08
JenArg said:
And the owner is a Mr. Thomas Kody, who also owns Waldorf Ford, Waldorf Dodge, Waldorf Ford Used Car Center, Indian Head Ford, Prince Frederick Ford, Richmond Ford and Car Center of Waldorf I've also found out that these dealerships can't keep an "honest mechanic" employed

He lives next door to my best friend's sister.
 

JenArg

New Member
Wickedwrench said:
I should tell you that authorized Ford technicians are no longer authorized Ford technicians once they leave the dealership. I should know as I've been one for almost 20 years now.


Then maybe I used the wrong term. He is (was) certified by Ford and he does all the "Ford" work at the shop where he works. He also has access to Ford's "bulletins" when they are issued about known problems.

I have no reason not to trust him as he is a very good and long time friend.
 

MZsport700

New Member
Booboo3604 said:
I am not sure whether its more american or not. Me personally I would rather have toyota building my car whether it be americans, chinese, japanese, indians building the thing. I have a toyota, my boyfriend's truck is a Ford and we have put more money into his truck fixing stuff in the 2 and half years that we have been together than I have from the day I drove mine off the lot, oil changes and everything.

I wasnt trying to be harsh, its just funny the stuff that brings people out of the woodwork.

I have had the opposite experience. My Ford truck is now 5 years old with over 100,000 miles and I have had no problems at all. Even the brakes lasted over 90,000, thats the only thing it has needed except tires and normal maintenance.
My 05 expedition did have 1 problem, it needed a coil pack replaced @ about 20k miles. Warranty took care of it and I got a loaner car overnight while it was getting fixed. I am over 50,000 miles now with no more problems.
Even the 96 explorer I had for 9 years and 135,000 miles only had 1 problem. The EGR valve quit at 125,000. It cost me about $60 and took about an hour to replace.
I cant speak about Toyota from an owner standpoint because I have never owned one, but the people I know that have them have had more problems than my Fords, especially with the pickups and SUV's.
 

BS Gal

Voted Nicest in 08
MZsport700 said:
I have had the opposite experience. My Ford truck is now 5 years old with over 100,000 miles and I have had no problems at all. Even the brakes lasted over 90,000, thats the only thing it has needed except tires and normal maintenance.
My 05 expedition did have 1 problem, it needed a coil pack replaced @ about 20k miles. Warranty took care of it and I got a loaner car overnight while it was getting fixed. I am over 50,000 miles now with no more problems.
Even the 96 explorer I had for 9 years and 135,000 miles only had 1 problem. The EGR valve quit at 125,000. It cost me about $60 and took about an hour to replace.
I cant speak about Toyota from an owner standpoint because I have never owned one, but the people I know that have them have had more problems than my Fords, especially with the pickups and SUV's.
I have a 94 t-bird with 119,000 on it. No major problems. Brakes did have to be replaced at 22,000 miles, but haven't been since. It's our back-up car now, but I drove it daily until last April.
 

JenArg

New Member
I know that vehicles break down, some more than others. My first vehicle was a Ford. An Escort that I bought used and it had close to 200,000 miles on it when I sold it and it was still running. This is why I purchased another Ford and had every intention of purchasing a Mustang GT this year. Too bad the money I have been saving for a down payment has to be used to pay for repairs, that most likely would have been covered under warranty, when I first brought it to Ford's attention.

The fact that my truck needs repairs isn't my issue.

"Crap Happens".. I know this.

It's the shady and underhanded way that these dealerships have treated me and the attitude that I received from the "manager" (if he even was), when I tried to address my concerns.

I wasn't ranting when I first called him, but I did tell him right off how upset I was. When I tried to explain my "story", he took every oppurtunity to tell me that "I couldn't prove it" and at one point called me a liar when I said that I had been to the dealership prior to last week. When I asked to speak to his supervisor, he told me HE was the owner.

Quotes from the conversation that I can remember were:

"You don't have a service ticket for that date, so you can't prove that"

"I don't care what the finance person told you when you bought the warranty, the contract explains it. Again, you can't prove this".

Now mind you, I was seeing red and my hands were shaking by the end of the conversation, so I can't remember everything that was said, but I do know that I had to hang up on him, before I told him off.

I know that it is my word versus theirs... but I don't have any reason to make all of this up. I don't usually tend to go off the deep end and I am a very agreeable person. (Yes, I know... I can't prove this.. lol)

But this whole situation has really pissed me off.
 

Wickedwrench

Stubborn and opinionated
JenArg said:
Then maybe I used the wrong term. He is (was) certified by Ford and he does all the "Ford" work at the shop where he works. He also has access to Ford's "bulletins" when they are issued about known problems.

I have no reason not to trust him as he is a very good and long time friend.

That sounds better.:yay:
 

GallopNTec

New Member
:howdy:
Jen,

The "manager" at Leonardtown Ford treated me the same.
Attitiude off the bat, smug, and very condesending( sat behind his desk, arms folded, smirking).
There was also a dispute about the legitimacy of the problem w/ the truck because they couldn't duplicate it.

But we do have the truck still, and I've bought a new Ford truck since.
 

Vince

......
Been dealing with Prince Frederick Ford for alot of years and never had a problem. Bought a used car from them, had transmission problems, and they fixed it no charge under the extended warranty. They've been servicing my vehicles for a long time with no problems.
 

itsbob

I bowl overhand
Wickedwrench said:
I should tell you that authorized Ford technicians are no longer authorized Ford technicians once they leave the dealership. I should know as I've been one for almost 20 years now.
You must be one exceptionally busy man.. especially around the mid 90's.. We got Ford's for Gov's and EVERY single one of them broke down.. not one had a working air conditioner after 6 months.. and when each and every one of them went over about 35k they just stopped running.. Be driving down the interstate.. and pffft.. nothin.. pull over.. wait.. started back up.. go a day or two.. tooling down the highway.. pfft nothin..

Hope you got a lot of overtime then.

I have to admit.. if I was going to be a mechanic, Ford or Chrysler would be my choice, no worries of there EVER being a lack of work!! Smart move!
 

Redwing91

New Member
Beware of Waldorf Toyota also. They sold me an 04 Camry with 12K miles on it (this was in June 2005). Immediately after I had signed all the paperwork, the woman in the financial office helpfully told me that the car was a former rental vehicle. There was no reason for her to tell me that, other than that she wanted me to know they had screwed me. The car turned out to be pretty rough. I brought it back and got a brand new one. I will never deal with that bunch of B.S. artists again.
 
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roscoe69@verizo

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Leonardtown Ford

Hi everyone ! We had an interesting experience at Leonardtown Ford a little while back, I asked my wife to take our new Crown Vic LX Sport to them to get the oil changed because I didn't have time to do it. During the process they indicated to her that the tires needed rotating, she said ok, when she left out of the parking lot and got up to the turn at the Tire Center and Rt.234 she made the U turn and the right front wheel fell off!!! she had to abandon the car in the middle of the road because our fellow americans were blowing the horn and swerving around it, like you can get a three legged automobile out of the way safely! 20 minutes later one of the salesmen from LT Ford comes along ( after she called in a panic) he says I guess we better get a jack and put the wheel on it. they get the car to the dealership and by then I get there irate as hell because when the wheel came off it not only could have gotten my wife and some other innocent person hurt, but it bent the fender and broke the lower control arm.They said don't worry we'll fix it ! I said Damn right you will! He said we have a Ford Taurus you can use, I said wrong answer! she's making a payment on a Crown Victoria! so that's what they gave her. But what makes the whole situation pitiful is the piss poor excuse for it happening. The manager said it was a new part time teenager that done the work and you know these things do happen ! I said WHAT ! i'm almost 50 and have been taking off and putting on wheels since I was a teenager and never had one come off and pass me up on the road!. Considering this is a so called professional dealership and could have saved a customer by just saying that we will retrain our people and change the procedures or make the tech's sign a checklist when they are done the work to prevent this incident from occuring again. No, lose a repeat customer by saying s**t happens and sorry for your luck.
 

JenArg

New Member
I am taking all of the advise that I have been giving, and I am writing a letter to Ford. I worked on this letter for most of the day yesterday, and it is about 4 pages long. I also have all of the original Repair Order Estimates, from both Waldorf and Leonardtown, along with my warranty contract. I also discovered on the warranty contract, they sold me a "New Plan" for a used vehicle. The vehicle was used when I purchased it so why wasn't I sold a "Used Plan" which says that the plan would begin at the signature date and signature mileage?

When I first took my truck in to be looked at, I was 3019 miles away from when they claim the warranty actually expired. How much you want to bet they gave me the run around and wouldn't "diagnose" my real problem, because I was so close to end of my warranty?

I would also like to ask WickedWrench a question, if he wouldn't mind answering it, since he is a mechanic and I believe might work for Ford?

Would any of these "recommended" repairs, have anything to do with a shudder and/or skip in the back tires when you accelerate? Like if you were stopped at a light and took off, the back tires would skip, like they were trying to gain traction.

This is a direct quote from the first Repair Order when I went to Waldorf:
At times #3 Misfire-also under Load #2 - Misfire-Excessive Carbon Saturation in Throttle Body - Needs plugs and wires - throttle service and injector flush - fuel filter -reprogram PCM.

Estimate: $790

I've also found out that the part that Leonardtown recommended last week, wasn't even a part that fit my vehicle.

I'm fortunate that I work for an attorney, so I am going to have her look at my letter and my warranty contract, and if she has any advise for me.

I also want to say thanks for all the support, replies, and messages I have received. I don't care what everyone says about this place.. :wink: you guys have been great! :smile:
 
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