gemma_rae
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Is that supposed to be a defense of you being worthless?
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Is that supposed to be a defense of you being worthless?
This_person
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When was it that Republicans had a cloture-proof control of the Senate?
It's rumored President Trump has started taking Xanax.
To stop hispanic attacks
transporter
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Wow...you really just posted that?
So here is the basic and most simplistic answer...Trump's base is less educated and more easily manipulated than Trump is.
Trump is inept at being President...he's spent his entire life pulling the wool over the eyes of his "base".
God damn MG...that was a really stupid post. Thanks for proving the point.
This_person
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And, yet, you can't win a simple point 99% of the time with any of them, because you're even more wrongererer than them.
Hijinx
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"Trump's base is less educated and more easily manipulated than Trump is."
I won't argue that point, I will just say that goes for so many politicians.
maxine waters is elected by idiots that match your description, as is well why waste space naming the whole Congressional black caucus
And before I am called a racist for that ,let me say Most of the Democrats in Congress are voted in by idiots and entitlement searchers.
About half the Republicans are voted in by dummies.
According to you this whole forum is ignorant and you are the only intelligent one here. And aint that a joke.
USWWarrior
It's a Jeep thang!
Trump is Right, Keep it shutdown until they pass comprehenive immigration reform
I am so friggan tired of hearing this. The last Immigration Reform Act is "Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986". Do the math, 33 years.
Why didn't the previous President do what he wanted and pass Immigration Reform when he had the Democrats in charge of both the House of Representatives and the Senate. For the record the Democrats had control of both chambers of Congress from 2007-2013. Thats a full SIX years to get something. Obama had 4 years to get it done BUT he nor the democratic controlled congress did, why's that?
But what did Obama do: On November 20th, 2014 President Obama on National Television told the American People "quote: [By] acting where Congress has failed ... [I hope] to work with both parties to pass a more permanent legislative solution. And the day I sign that bill into law, the actions I take will no longer be necessary. unquote". You remember those executive orders: Deferred actions, DACA, etc.
Lets take a look at the last 26 years:
26 years, 4 Presidents (2 Dem, 2 Repub), 13 sessions of Congress and NOTHING DONE! That is why I agree with president Trump, I am tired of the can being kicked and Congress "promising to do something". Trump knows they won't.
So for the record: (Independents not included since the majority of the time it is just one or two of them)
104th Congress: 1995-1997 Republican Controlled House and Senate. Senate was 55 (R)- 45 (D). HOR was: 234 (R)- 197 (D) ZERO Immigration Reform Passed
105th Congress: 1997-1999 Republican Controlled House and Senate. Senate was 55 (R)- 45 (D). HOR was: 234 (R)- 198 (D) ZERO Immigration Reform Passed
106th Congress: 1999-2001 Republican Controlled House and Senate. Senate was 54 (R)- 46 (D). HOR was: 222 (R)- 208 (D) ZERO Immigration Reform Passed but did pass "Victims of Trafficking and Violence Protection Act of 2000"
107th Congress: 2001-2003 Republican Controlled House and Senate. Senate was 51 (R)- 48 (D). HOR was: 229 (R)- 205 (D) ZERO Immigration Reform Passed Democrats had control of Senate from June 2001 through 2003. Repubs only controlled the Senate from January 2001- through June 2001.
108th Congress: 2003-2005 Republican Controlled House and Senate. Senate was 55 (R)- 44 (D). HOR was: 232 (R)- 201 (D) ZERO Immigration Reform Passed
109th Congress: 2005-2007 Republican Controlled House and Senate. Senate was 49 (R)- 49 (D). HOR was: 225 (R)- 207 (D) ZERO Immigration Reform Passed but did pass "Secure Fence Act of 2006" for 652 miles of fencing of various types.
110th Congress: 2007-2009 Democrats Controlled House and Senate. Senate was 55 (D)- 41 (R). HOR was: 256 (D)- 178 (D) ZERO Immigration Reform Passed but Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2007 failed in the Senate (Dream Act).
111th Congress: 2009-2011 Democrats Controlled House and Senate. Senate was 51 (D)- 47 (R). HOR was: 255 (D)- 179 (D) ZERO Immigration Reform Passed but Dream Act was re-proposed and failed. Obamacare was enacted.
112th Congress: 2011-2013 Democrats Controlled House and Senate. Senate was 53 (D)- 45 (R). HOR was: 255 (D)- 179 (D) ZERO Immigration Reform Passed
113th Congress: 2013-2015 Democrats controlled Senate. Senate was 53 (D)- 45 (R). Repubs controlled the HOR: 234 (R)- 201 (D) ZERO Immigration Reform Passed
114th Congress: 2015-2017 Republican Controlled House and Senate. Senate was 52 (R)- 46 (D). HOR was: 246 (R)- 187 (D) ZERO Immigration Reform Passed
115th Congress: 2017-2019 Republican Controlled House and Senate. Senate was 52 (R)- 45 (D). HOR was: 236 (R)- 196 (D) ZERO Immigration Reform Passed
116th Congress: 2019-2021 Democrats control HOR 235 (D)- 199 (R). Repub control Senate was 53 (R)- 45 (D). ZERO Immigration Reform Passed
I am so friggan tired of hearing this. The last Immigration Reform Act is "Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986". Do the math, 33 years.
Why didn't the previous President do what he wanted and pass Immigration Reform when he had the Democrats in charge of both the House of Representatives and the Senate. For the record the Democrats had control of both chambers of Congress from 2007-2013. Thats a full SIX years to get something. Obama had 4 years to get it done BUT he nor the democratic controlled congress did, why's that?
But what did Obama do: On November 20th, 2014 President Obama on National Television told the American People "quote: [By] acting where Congress has failed ... [I hope] to work with both parties to pass a more permanent legislative solution. And the day I sign that bill into law, the actions I take will no longer be necessary. unquote". You remember those executive orders: Deferred actions, DACA, etc.
Lets take a look at the last 26 years:
26 years, 4 Presidents (2 Dem, 2 Repub), 13 sessions of Congress and NOTHING DONE! That is why I agree with president Trump, I am tired of the can being kicked and Congress "promising to do something". Trump knows they won't.
So for the record: (Independents not included since the majority of the time it is just one or two of them)
104th Congress: 1995-1997 Republican Controlled House and Senate. Senate was 55 (R)- 45 (D). HOR was: 234 (R)- 197 (D) ZERO Immigration Reform Passed
105th Congress: 1997-1999 Republican Controlled House and Senate. Senate was 55 (R)- 45 (D). HOR was: 234 (R)- 198 (D) ZERO Immigration Reform Passed
106th Congress: 1999-2001 Republican Controlled House and Senate. Senate was 54 (R)- 46 (D). HOR was: 222 (R)- 208 (D) ZERO Immigration Reform Passed but did pass "Victims of Trafficking and Violence Protection Act of 2000"
107th Congress: 2001-2003 Republican Controlled House and Senate. Senate was 51 (R)- 48 (D). HOR was: 229 (R)- 205 (D) ZERO Immigration Reform Passed Democrats had control of Senate from June 2001 through 2003. Repubs only controlled the Senate from January 2001- through June 2001.
108th Congress: 2003-2005 Republican Controlled House and Senate. Senate was 55 (R)- 44 (D). HOR was: 232 (R)- 201 (D) ZERO Immigration Reform Passed
109th Congress: 2005-2007 Republican Controlled House and Senate. Senate was 49 (R)- 49 (D). HOR was: 225 (R)- 207 (D) ZERO Immigration Reform Passed but did pass "Secure Fence Act of 2006" for 652 miles of fencing of various types.
110th Congress: 2007-2009 Democrats Controlled House and Senate. Senate was 55 (D)- 41 (R). HOR was: 256 (D)- 178 (D) ZERO Immigration Reform Passed but Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2007 failed in the Senate (Dream Act).
111th Congress: 2009-2011 Democrats Controlled House and Senate. Senate was 51 (D)- 47 (R). HOR was: 255 (D)- 179 (D) ZERO Immigration Reform Passed but Dream Act was re-proposed and failed. Obamacare was enacted.
112th Congress: 2011-2013 Democrats Controlled House and Senate. Senate was 53 (D)- 45 (R). HOR was: 255 (D)- 179 (D) ZERO Immigration Reform Passed
113th Congress: 2013-2015 Democrats controlled Senate. Senate was 53 (D)- 45 (R). Repubs controlled the HOR: 234 (R)- 201 (D) ZERO Immigration Reform Passed
114th Congress: 2015-2017 Republican Controlled House and Senate. Senate was 52 (R)- 46 (D). HOR was: 246 (R)- 187 (D) ZERO Immigration Reform Passed
115th Congress: 2017-2019 Republican Controlled House and Senate. Senate was 52 (R)- 45 (D). HOR was: 236 (R)- 196 (D) ZERO Immigration Reform Passed
116th Congress: 2019-2021 Democrats control HOR 235 (D)- 199 (R). Repub control Senate was 53 (R)- 45 (D). ZERO Immigration Reform Passed
Is it not true that the likelihood of passing border wall funding was higher at any point in the last two years then when Trump decided to do it as the house returned to Democratic control?
That tells you all you need to know about what is actually driving this idiotic shutdown
This_person
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So, your statement that he could have was, actually factually inaccurate. You get that, right?
It might have been higher - (indeed, since Schumer WANTED to fund it repeatedly in the past (before Trump wanted to do it), it would seem it would have been even easier when Obama (who voted for the Secure Fence Act as a senator) had control - cloture-proof - of both Houses of Congress and himself) - but, still, that he simply could have done it without Democrat support in the Senate was just a bald-faced lie. It was only sheer incompetence that didn't allow it to happen during Obama, and purely hate for Trump that does not allow it to happen now.
You get your lie, right? You're admitting it?
Jesus you really have a hard time focusing don't you? Maybe you should ask your buddy Trump for some adderall.
Why re you always bringing in Obama to every conversation. Why is your hatred for him so strong. especially after two years of constant "winning"
It is absolutely true Trump could have gotten the funding for his wall at any point in the last two years with a tiny bit of effort. It is politically advantageous for him to do it now instead. because
A. even most republicans know its a stupid idea and a waste of money and will put us in enormous debt and won't solve anything. The majority of guns and drugs are snuck through legal checkpoints. Most terrorists have come through airports and illegal immigrants will always find a way in if they are determined.
b. It is a good way to keep his moronic base energized and supportive of him despite the fact that he is inept and has screwed up everything he has touched.
PROVE IT ... show the majority of Republicans that would have voted for this in the past 2 yrs
This_person
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That may or may not be true. For one, it would have required Chuckles Schumer to have been willing to work with him to do what "Leader" Schumer actually wanted done (before Trump wanted it done).
But, that's not what you said originally. What you said originally was:
Republicans did not control the Senate in a cloture-proof way, so your entire statement became factually inaccurate. It was predicated on the idea that Trump did not need Democrat support, and that is simply factually inaccurate (a lie).
You lied. Just admit it. You may have MEANT that "maybe he could have if...", but it's not what you said originally. You lied originally. Just admit it. You lied, because you don't understand how things work.
Just admit you lied.
WRT A: You believe it is a waste of money because....why? Everything you said after that implies it would be harder to get in, so bad people would have to find a different way (if they are determined to do so). We know THOUSANDS of people in the last "caravan" turned around for the very reason you said - they weren't determined enough to get in if it wasn't easier. So, you trolled yourself into proving it's actually a GOOD idea.
You're concerned about $5B in debt (as you should be), but the costs of illegal immigrants in the US are upwards of 50-70 times more than the cost of a border barrier - voted "yes" on by Obama and Schumer and Clinton and... - which you just demonstrated would limit the illegal immigration. When we currently have a debt of over $20T (that's 4,000 times more than $5B), an investment of $5B seems rather worth it.
WRT B: Since this was a good idea for a long time, and yet not done, did you feel it was a way to keep Schumer's or Obama's or Bill Clinton's moronic base energized, since they said the EXACT SAME things Trump is saying?
gemma_rae
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gemma_rae
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I don't think he cares what you think either.
They had the majority in the house the senate and a republican in the White House. BY every definition that all major news channels, newspapers and the common person use the controlled all branches of government.
Stop pretending you are stupid to prove a point. Or admit you are hiding behind semantics because you have no logical explanation as to why Trump only pushed for the funding now
gemma_rae
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We know you're not pretending.