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Dems finalize the Deep State Protection Act
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Not really, let's split the "let go" into terminated, with prejudice and terminated without.
Firing typically means "for cause", typically the employer is not penalized for putting another person on unemployment.
When there is no cause, other than financial say, the employer usually has to pay money to the state.
Also, rare to have an employer give a bad reference because of the threat of law suits.
With the Fed, some of the more recent pay plans give the employing agency the cover to let a low performer go.
First, they won't get a raise, not even the cost of living adjustment.
But as an employer, you have to factor in the most important thing, DEI.
HemiHauler
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Both. RIFing employees has little effect. It’s the cost of the PROGRAMS that take real money.
I’m sure you, as can I, identify loads of government programs that are much better handled by the private sector, where there is a profit motive. Competition for that profit creates better outcomes/profits.
This is what bugs me about the notion that we need a chief executive for our nation who can run it like a business. NO! Governments do not seek profits. Capitalists do. Let them.
BOP
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I spent 22+ years working in the federal government. All that time, and I never realized anyone could be fired "on a whim."
Very few things could get you fired from the Fed. As I was moving in, during my 1st year, the po-po were escorting a man off base for downloading so much porn that he filled up his S: drive, his H: drive, a major portion of the V: drive (shared with other members of his program), and had asked for more storage because all those AND his hard disk drive were full - and came back a second time for more storage.
But yeah, it's really difficult to fire anyone, other than for something egregious like that. Usually, they give the offender an on-the-spot award, promote them, and dump them off on another program, making them someone else's problem.
This is particularly true of the protected classes that qualify for the Oppression Olympics.
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BOP
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BOP
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I was part of the big RIF after Vietnam, but that was the military. If there was a similar civilian RIF, I wasn't aware of it. A lot of us went into the reserves to make time toward retirement, back then.
Then there were the BRACs, but even then, the Gov't made every attempt to relocate people to other programs; to other locales. I had a landlady in San Diego who had moved from Hawaii to California during one such, but left the Fed when they wanted her to move to Ohio, or Philly, I think it was, she said no, and that was it. I don't think she had the age for MRA, though I think she had enough time. Which sucks.
They will do buyouts (VERA/VSIP). My late wife, who was a GS-11 (which is high up for Philly) benefited from a buyout, as well as retraining. I retired as a GS-13/7 on a buyout, so I took it. If I'd had had a crystal ball in 2019, I would not have. I would have held on for at least a couple of more years to make 25 years. Still, I'm not mad about it. She was CSRS, so I think she got a VERA, but I was FERS, so I think mine was a VSIP, but I'm not going to swear to anything.
jrt_ms1995
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How much Corona do I bring in when reporting? Have to smooth things with HR.
jrt_ms1995
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Oh... I wouldn't do that if I were you. HR HATES when people bring him Corona.
BOP
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So you're saying that HR isn't cheap, but can be had? Good to know.
StmarysCity79
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Good thing thats not what this bill does.
It's only the editorializing by the OP that does that.
Nothing you can undo with your worthless hand waving.
StmarysCity79
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Despite Vrails propaganda what Biden's proposal does is counteract an extremely radical plan by Trump and the heritage foundation to change hundreds of thousands of federal employees to at will workers so they can be fired for not going along with Trumps shady policy changes known as project 2025.
is a collection of policy proposals to reshape the executive branch of the U.S. federal government at an unprecedented scale in the event of a Republican victory in the 2024 U.S. presidential election.[2][3] Established in 2022, the project seeks to recruit tens of thousands of conservatives to Washington, D.C., to replace existing federal civil service workers which Republicans characterize as the "deep state", to further the objectives of the next Republican president.[4] Although the project cannot promote a specific presidential candidate, many contributors have close ties to Donald Trump and the Trump 2024 presidential campaign.[5] The plan would perform a swift restructuring of the executive branch under a maximalist version of the unitary executive theory — a theory proposing the president of the United States has absolute power over the executive branch — upon inauguration.[3][6]
The development of the plan is led by the The Heritage Foundation, an American conservative think tank, in collaboration with over 100 partners including Turning Point USA led by Charlie Kirk; the Conservative Partnership Institute including former Trump Chief of Staff Mark Meadows as senior partner; the Center for Renewing America led by former Trump-appointee Office of Management and Budget Director Russell Vought; and America First Legal, led by former Trump Senior Advisor Stephen Miller.[7][8]
Project 2025 envisions widespread changes across the entire government, particularly with regard to economic and social policy and the role of the federal government and federal agencies. The plan proposes slashing U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) funding, dismantling the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security, gutting environmental and climate change regulations to favor fossil fuel production, and eliminating the cabinet Departments of Education and Commerce.[9] Citing an anonymous source, The Washington Post reported in November 2023, prior to the project's release, that Project 2025 includes immediately invoking the Insurrection Act of 1807 to deploy the military for domestic law enforcement and directing the DOJ to pursue Trump adversaries.[10] Project Director Paul Dans, a former Trump administration official, said in September 2023 that Project 2025 is "systematically preparing to march into office and bring a new army, aligned, trained, and essentially weaponized conservatives ready to do battle against the deep state."[11]
www.vox.com
is a collection of policy proposals to reshape the executive branch of the U.S. federal government at an unprecedented scale in the event of a Republican victory in the 2024 U.S. presidential election.[2][3] Established in 2022, the project seeks to recruit tens of thousands of conservatives to Washington, D.C., to replace existing federal civil service workers which Republicans characterize as the "deep state", to further the objectives of the next Republican president.[4] Although the project cannot promote a specific presidential candidate, many contributors have close ties to Donald Trump and the Trump 2024 presidential campaign.[5] The plan would perform a swift restructuring of the executive branch under a maximalist version of the unitary executive theory — a theory proposing the president of the United States has absolute power over the executive branch — upon inauguration.[3][6]
The development of the plan is led by the The Heritage Foundation, an American conservative think tank, in collaboration with over 100 partners including Turning Point USA led by Charlie Kirk; the Conservative Partnership Institute including former Trump Chief of Staff Mark Meadows as senior partner; the Center for Renewing America led by former Trump-appointee Office of Management and Budget Director Russell Vought; and America First Legal, led by former Trump Senior Advisor Stephen Miller.[7][8]
Project 2025 envisions widespread changes across the entire government, particularly with regard to economic and social policy and the role of the federal government and federal agencies. The plan proposes slashing U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) funding, dismantling the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security, gutting environmental and climate change regulations to favor fossil fuel production, and eliminating the cabinet Departments of Education and Commerce.[9] Citing an anonymous source, The Washington Post reported in November 2023, prior to the project's release, that Project 2025 includes immediately invoking the Insurrection Act of 1807 to deploy the military for domestic law enforcement and directing the DOJ to pursue Trump adversaries.[10] Project Director Paul Dans, a former Trump administration official, said in September 2023 that Project 2025 is "systematically preparing to march into office and bring a new army, aligned, trained, and essentially weaponized conservatives ready to do battle against the deep state."[11]
Trump may sound moderate on abortion. The groups setting his agenda definitely aren’t.
These radical social conservatives could define Trump’s second term.
www.vox.com
Despite Vrails propaganda what Biden's proposal does is counteract an extremely radical plan by Trump and the heritage foundation to change hundreds of thousands of federal employees to at will workers so they can be fired for not going along with Trumps shady policy changes known as project 2025.
is a collection of policy proposals to reshape the executive branch of the U.S. federal government at an unprecedented scale in the event of a Republican victory in the 2024 U.S. presidential election.[2][3] Established in 2022, the project seeks to recruit tens of thousands of conservatives to Washington, D.C., to replace existing federal civil service workers which Republicans characterize as the "deep state", to further the objectives of the next Republican president.[4] Although the project cannot promote a specific presidential candidate, many contributors have close ties to Donald Trump and the Trump 2024 presidential campaign.[5] The plan would perform a swift restructuring of the executive branch under a maximalist version of the unitary executive theory — a theory proposing the president of the United States has absolute power over the executive branch — upon inauguration.[3][6]
The development of the plan is led by the The Heritage Foundation, an American conservative think tank, in collaboration with over 100 partners including Turning Point USA led by Charlie Kirk; the Conservative Partnership Institute including former Trump Chief of Staff Mark Meadows as senior partner; the Center for Renewing America led by former Trump-appointee Office of Management and Budget Director Russell Vought; and America First Legal, led by former Trump Senior Advisor Stephen Miller.[7][8]
Project 2025 envisions widespread changes across the entire government, particularly with regard to economic and social policy and the role of the federal government and federal agencies. The plan proposes slashing U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) funding, dismantling the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security, gutting environmental and climate change regulations to favor fossil fuel production, and eliminating the cabinet Departments of Education and Commerce.[9] Citing an anonymous source, The Washington Post reported in November 2023, prior to the project's release, that Project 2025 includes immediately invoking the Insurrection Act of 1807 to deploy the military for domestic law enforcement and directing the DOJ to pursue Trump adversaries.[10] Project Director Paul Dans, a former Trump administration official, said in September 2023 that Project 2025 is "systematically preparing to march into office and bring a new army, aligned, trained, and essentially weaponized conservatives ready to do battle against the deep state."[11]
Trump may sound moderate on abortion. The groups setting his agenda definitely aren’t.
These radical social conservatives could define Trump’s second term.
Imagine...a president setting an agenda and hiring/appointing people to help him accomplish it.... That Trump, man, he's a real trail blazer.....
Chopticon64
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I’ve been saying for years feds should all be fired each administration and have to re-apply for their jobs, same should be true for most industries, if you’re good you get to come back in, maybe at a higher salary. If not, bye bye.
I was away for week on travel, I was in Texas for the eclipse (which was amazing) at one point we had an Uber driver that started talking about politics, news, and really just about anything, kinda the way you post.
It was disturbing, she talked the entire 12 minute drive, she had opinions on everything, nothing we even brought up.
My first thought was, Jesus, this is like being in a live version of the somd.com forum.
142k messages, from one account.
In 23 years....
Nobody is forcing you to be here. Contrary to what your Democrat masters tell you, you have free will and can choose what internet sites you visit.