glhs837
Power with Control
One way you encourage people to take responsibility is to punish them when they fail to do so.
Double Fatal Motor Vehicle Collision in Hughesville Saturday
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One way you encourage people to take responsibility is to punish them when they fail to do so.
PeoplesElbow
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That is all well and good except for the innocent bystander that gets killed, no amount of personal responsibility or punishment will fix that.
Why don't we just skip the bill of rights and go to warrantless stops, searches and interrogations.
It's for our safety isn't it?
Or as one paraphrase puts it, "People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both."
So what's a little domestic spying, sham traffic stops, sobriety checkpoint anyone.
glhs837
Power with Control
No searches. You broke the law, that gives them the right to stop you and talk to you. Nothing wrong with that. But I do take exception that it's for traffic safety. It's not.
That's what a lot of 'traffic enforcement' has become these days. 'I saw you cross that divider line' the ever burnt out taillight lamp or the 'failure to signal'. All pretenses to create stops that may result in picking up someone for a warrant or finding some weed or pills.
broke the law or "probable" cause. I was three quarters of a mile down the road and noticed you didn't come to a complete stop at that right hand turn.
Want to do a check how many people are pulled over for a reason like that? Then the officer plays the cool dude and gives you a pass on the ticket.
No, the real reason he pulled you over was the time of day and you had stuff in your vehicle that made him suspicious you might have robbed a house. But no reported burglary or any other information to indicate you were a suspect vehicle. It is a stop to fish.
Problem is we all know if you piss him off he can write a ticket and the judge will uphold it. So you are now held up for 20 minutes while he does his thing and you are that much later getting to the airport for vacation (that's when bags were stacked in my car - dah)
I was actually stopped once by a local cop for driving on a certain road. No kidding, first words out of his mouth after looking at my license were, "what are you doing on this road?". Mind you, it was a state road and not a dead end or anything. He was running a speed trap because the local home owners in his town wanted through traffic off "their" road. I actually had a state trooper tell me I should fight the ticket and he gave me the way to do it. But it would be pointless, the judge (who had never seen a law book) would have said guilty anyway.
Point was, he was pulling over cars to tell them to go another way and for measure writing a 5 mph over ticket to reinforce the message.
In the mean time he pokes around the car looking for something else to boost his arrest record.
glhs837
Power with Control
Yeah, I wasnt talking about that sort of stuff. I was strictly addressing the whys regarding normal speed enforcement vs driving around tagging folks engaging in really dangerous behaviors instead of doing 57mph up 235 at 9am Sat morning. That way they get to stop 10 lawbreakers an hour.
