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vraiblonde said:
The Bible says that we are all sinners... he was no exception :shrug:
The Bible says that we are all sinners... he was no exception :shrug:
The Bible was written by humans inspired by God. It is a collection of books that are meant to be apprised spiritually and not from the understanding of human wisdom.vraiblonde said:
Don't you see that the account of David is a lesson for us? David was God's chosen man. He was blessed greatly by God. David started to rely on his own "greatness" and was tempted and succumbed to that temptation. He then repented and was blessed again.
We all are chosen by God. He wants everyone to love and follow His ways. We are tempted to do things that are not God's way. We succumb to the temptation. We repent and accept Jesus as Savior and we are blessed. Very parallel.
The accounts in the Bible show that God can and does use all kinds of people for His work. Moses was a murderer as was David. Rahab was a harlot. Lots daughters had sex with him (incest). God reckoned their belief and repentance as righteousness and forgave them and used them for His work. He provides salvation through His sacrifice as Jesus for all who accept Him.
God loves us all and knows that we all succumb to temptation. He provides the way out - salvation. All we have to do is accept. The way is consistent from beginning to end.
The Bible is full of accounts of those that have fallen away from God and then returned like the prodigal son. And God, like the most excellent father, accepted them, forgave them, and blessed them. The gist of the same story repeats from generation to generation down to us.
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Thanks for all the mental stimulation today and thought provoking questions... it made today go by quick and that's always good for a Friday. Love all of y'all. Have a safe and blessed weekend. 
He is listed as a direct ancestor which I always thought was strange. You see the linage of Jesus which is listed in Matthew is the linage of Joseph, but Joseph was not the father of Jesus. Of course the linage of women was not kept for the most part, so the linage of Joseph was used to track back to Abraham. One of the interesting things about the linage of Jesus through Joseph is that almost all (except for the last few generations before Joseph - all the others had been kings, the linage had to get more common for Jesus to be born in a stable and be a carpenter) of the ancestors of Jesus are mentioned in the various books of the Old Testament. Also, the linage of Jesus is through the linage of David through Bathsheba who had been the wife of Uriah that David had killed. Now how could this be planned in the writing if Jesus was not born when each of the writers of the books that reference these ancestors wrote? But He did exist from the foundation of the world.vraiblonde said:
All of the Bible points to Jesus.
Okay, but I still can't reconcile that in my mind and I don't have the faith to just accept it. All those stories sound very human to me, not divine at all. They sound like someone trying to make excuses as to how some rotten stinkpot can do so many heinous things, yet seem to flourish with riches and success: because God said so, which is the answer to too many questions that heathens like me pose.2ndAmendment said:
Again, I ask: do you think Bill Clinton might be a chosen son of God? Possibly the grandfather of the next Messiah? If what you say is true, then Clinton could surely repent and become as big a religious rock star as David. But I say that it doesn't make up for the ruined lives he left in his wake, any more than David's repentance made it right for Uriah.
Oh. Psalm 51 was written by David seeking forgiveness from God for having Uriah killed and taking Bathsheba.
First there is only one Messiah; that is Jesus.vraiblonde said:
As to Bill Clinton being chosen by God, as much as I dislike Clinton, yes.
They are human stories not much different from anyone. Some are much worse than many of us. Most of us are not murderers, thank God. The Old Testament is a collection of books about people and their relationship with God. It is about what they did and what God did in response. What God said. What people did, either obeying or disobeying. What happened when they obeyed or didn't. The New Testament is the account of God's plan for us. The Bible is there for us on several levels. Many of the accounts can be read and understood at a human level. Much is better appraise at a spiritual level.vraiblonde said:
I think that you're not comfortable with your lack of religion. The reason I think this is because you spend a lot of time debunking Christianity and Christians in general. If you were at peace with your decision, you wouldn't feel the need to sneer at people who DO believe - it would be no sweat off your back and you wouldn't spend one second of your life mocking them.
I also think you're looking for people like 2A, Homesick and Railroad to convince you there's a reason to believe. But the fact is that they don't have all the answers you're looking for - God is a matter of faith and no one else can give you faith, you have to develop it for yourself. They can tell you why THEY believe, but they cannot tell you why YOU should believe in a manner that will satisfy you.
You don't have to buy the whole God/Jesus/miracles gig hook line and sinker. You can embrace the spirituality of Christianity and the peace you will find from the introspection and letting go that a Higher Power provides without believing in ghosts and boogeymen. You can believe in your own way and follow your own path to righteousness - not 2A's path, or RR's path, or even my path.
Sometimes I am effing brilliant.
I think that you're not comfortable with your lack of religion. The reason I think this is because you spend a lot of time debunking Christianity and Christians in general. If you were at peace with your decision, you wouldn't feel the need to sneer at people who DO believe - it would be no sweat off your back and you wouldn't spend one second of your life mocking them.
I also think you're looking for people like 2A, Homesick and Railroad to convince you there's a reason to believe. But the fact is that they don't have all the answers you're looking for - God is a matter of faith and no one else can give you faith, you have to develop it for yourself. They can tell you why THEY believe, but they cannot tell you why YOU should believe in a manner that will satisfy you.
You don't have to buy the whole God/Jesus/miracles gig hook line and sinker. You can embrace the spirituality of Christianity and the peace you will find from the introspection and letting go that a Higher Power provides without believing in ghosts and boogeymen. You can believe in your own way and follow your own path to righteousness - not 2A's path, or RR's path, or even my path.
well said
This tread was before my time, so I don't think I've ever seen it.
Interestin' stuff!