Agreed. Most accounts of rudeness and otherwise ignorant behavior are far more easily attributed to *stupidity* than malice.ptbrien said:I don't know about good, bad or indifferent.
I think they forgot the big one. Basically, deep down, all people, myself included, are stupid. Inteligent, some, stupid, ALL.
sleuth said:I'm squeeky and proud of it. Everything I do, including the stuff I do for other people, is because I think it will make me wealthier.
I'd like to think that adults who thumb their nose at our social customs were never taught nice manners as children. Unfortunately, I've seen time and again people being asked to observe a particular nicety (cover your mouth when you cough, go get a tissue, dont stink up a public restroom, chew with your mouth closed) and they refuse. Oh, they might do it when asked, but they're right back at it next time.SamSpade said:But adults shouldn't need to be taught common courtesy.
You miss my meaning.justhangn said:Don't we know it......
People are self serving and do very little for the good of each other without some kind of kickback............
So your always in it for yourselfsleuth said:You miss my meaning.
What I mean is... the reason I do things for other people is because that person's happiness is something that makes me happy.
When you make a donation to charity, why do you do it?
Is it because it gives you a warm fuzzy? Can you truly say that you've ever done anything that didn't involve a little kickback, no matter how small, for yourself?
Yes. It's the American Way.Fruitcake Lady said:So your always in it for yourself
That's where I find you Morally indifferent.sleuth said:Yes. It's the American Way.
It's taking the concept of capitalism to a whole new philosophical level.
If I don't find value in doing something, then I don't do it.
Find me what you want.Fruitcake Lady said:That's where I find you Morally indifferent.
This what's in it for me attitude is lazy and selfish. No wonder why there are all of these problem kids. I think that attitude sucks and is a huge downfall to our falling society.
There are a lot of stupids out there, for sure. I don't consider you, personally, stupid. You might not know everything, but that doesn't make you stupid. You might make mistakes, but that doesn't make you stupid either.ptbrien said:I think they forgot the big one. Basically, deep down, all people, myself included, are stupid. Inteligent, some, stupid, ALL.
orPsalm 53:1-3
1The fool has said in his heart, "There is no God,"
They are corrupt, and have committed abominable injustice;
There is no one who does good.
2God has looked down from heaven upon the sons of men
To see if there is anyone who understands,
Who seeks after God.
3Every one of them has turned aside; together they have become corrupt;
There is no one who does good, not even one.
Romans 3:21-24
21But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,
22even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction;
23for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
24being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus;
Here's the thing... I think the word "selfish" turns you off. You're thinking of it in the simplest form.Fruitcake Lady said:That's where I find you Morally indifferent.
This what's in it for me attitude is lazy and selfish. No wonder why there are all of these problem kids. I think that attitude sucks and is a huge downfall to our falling society.
I disagree. People are motivated to do great works by "what's in it for them". In fact, I'd bet there's not a single person in the history of the world that did something beneficial without there being some kind of payback, even if it was just the satisfaction of doing the right thing and being able to sleep at night.Fruitcake Lady said:This what's in it for me attitude is lazy and selfish.
That's exactly what I meant. You just said it shorter.vraiblonde said:I disagree. People are motivated to do great works by "what's in it for them". In fact, I'd bet there's not a single person in the history of the world that did something beneficial without there being some kind of payback, even if it was just the satisfaction of doing the right thing and being able to sleep at night.
I think that's what Sleuth meant.
That is the problem. There is an absolute Truth, but most people choose to ignore it because it does not fit in with their selfishness.sleuth said:The question is not whether we are morally good, bad, or indifferent, because as you've all pointed out rather successfully, morality is defined differently by everyone.