Saudi Arabia says will retaliate against any sanctions over Khashoggi case

[Gilligan]

Regardless, does "staying out of it" include not selling Saudia Arabia weapons?

I sure hope not.

 

[Midnightrider]

They cancelled their order with Turkey. Otherwise, please point to where I posted anything saying they DID buy vessels from another another country. I'll wait.

will they buy them from someone else or not MO?

They'll buy the weapons systems somewhere, regardless. Might as well be from us.

 

[Midnightrider]

Yep..there is ..the updated SNEP II LoR.

Good work, kid. You still don't get how this worked/works. There were two..maybe even three versions of that during the first go-around. The first two mixes were rejected pretty quickly by Saudi Navy...then agreement was finally reached on the one that was in place at end of 2013 when Saudis suddenly pulled the plug and walked away. There have been at least two more iterations since the Saudis returned to the table a couple years later.

But you wouldn't know all that. Because you were not there.

then it should be easy for you to post links that prove it. Right MO?

 

[Gilligan]

will they buy them from someone else or not MO?

They'll buy the weapons systems somewhere, regardless. Might as well be from us.

English not your first language, eh? Let me help:

1. They'll: Contraction: "They will". Indicates that "they" [The Saudis] have an action to be taken in the future. Note the word "future"...meaning "not yesterday and not today"
2. Buy: To purchase; the action to be taken in the future.

 

[Gilligan]

then it should be easy for you to post links that prove it. Right MO?

When was the last time NAVSEA and the FMS PMS shops posted every iteration of system requirements being negotiated with any foreign Navy?

Be specific.

 

[Midnightrider]

They cancelled their order with Turkey. Otherwise, please point to where I posted anything saying they DID buy vessels from another another country. I'll wait.

They'll buy the weapons systems somewhere, regardless. Might as well be from us.

English not your first language, eh? Let me help:

1. They'll: Contraction: "They will". Indicates that "they" [The Saudis] have an action to be taken in the future. Note the word "future"...meaning "not yesterday and not today"
2. Buy: To purchase; the action to be taken in the future.

your entire argument is that they will, but they haven't in 5 years.
You really are special Mo

 

[MiddleGround]

When was the last time NAVSEA and the FMS PMS shops posted every iteration of system requirements being negotiated with any foreign Navy?

Be specific.

HERE^^^ is your strawman

You were right Billy boy... the last time it was not. See, it's not that hard to admit when you are wrong about something.

Now... about those pesky questions from before

 

[Midnightrider]

When was the last time NAVSEA and the FMS PMS shops posted every iteration of system requirements being negotiated with any foreign Navy?

Be specific.

poor poor Mo. The internet is against you today huh. No links for you, but chris can find plenty........

 

[Gilligan]

HERE^^^ is your strawman

You were right Billy boy... the last time it was not. See, it's not that hard to admit when you are wrong about something.

Now... about those pesky questions from before

When was the last time NAVSEA and the FMS PMS shops posted every iteration of system requirements being negotiated with any foreign Navy?

Be specific.

 

[Gilligan]

your entire argument is that they will, but they haven't in 5 years.
You really are special Mo

And..as your feeble attempts to salvage your failed point drivel on..


They'll buy the weapons systems somewhere, regardless. Might as well be from us.

 

[Chris0nllyn]

chris can find plenty........

It's out there for anyone to find.

Nothing lines up with Gilligan's posts. Nothing points to Obama screwing it up. Everything points to Gilligan working on a tiny portion of a large ship in a proposal phase and they simply lost the proposal. It happens all the time in the engineering world. Gilligan thinks he's the only one who has ever worked on one.

It's so easy to provide proof to your claims (since there are "many"), but it's much easier to make things up. We all know who's got a track record of that.

 

[Chris0nllyn]

Be specific.

It's amazing that in this thread, you think you should be the one asking that question.

 

[Gilligan]

It's out there for anyone to find.

Nothing lines up with Gilligan's posts. Nothing points to Obama screwing it up. Everything points to Gilligan working on a tony portion of a large ship in a proposal phase and they simply lost the proposal. It happens all the time in the engineering world. Gilligan thinks he's the only one who has ever worked on one.

It's so easy to provide proof to your claims (since there are "many"), but it's much easier to make things up. We all know who's got a track record of that.

LOL...because you say so, eh? Kid, you could'nt be more wrong if you tried...and you do try.

BTW..we didn't "lose" a proposal. The Navy put the entire SNEP package together. The Saudis walked away from the Navy and Barry.

 

[Gilligan]

It's amazing that in this thread, you think you should be the one asking that question.

Beats heck out of the nonsense you've put in here.

 

[Gilligan]

When the whole thing really started to go south with the original deal...

https://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/20/world/middleeast/saudi-arabia-vows-to-back-egypts-rulers.html

And they started deals with the Turks...and the Germans..instead

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/germany-backing-billion-euro-defense-deal-with-saudi-arabia-a-950759.html

 

[GURPS]

That's not how that works. Crack pot sources are the only ones reporting on that.

Oh ?

what sources are you calling 'crack pot'

 

[Gilligan]

And..an early reference to the beginnings of what grew larger and became the first SNEP that was ultimately canned in 2013..after numerous go-arounds to arrive at a mutually agreeable mix of vessels that included at least 10 of the VT-Halter Ambassador II class vessels.

US officials are also discussing a possible deal to upgrade Saudi Arabia's navy, which one official estimated could be worth an additional $30bn.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2010/10/20101020173353178622.html

 

[Midnightrider]

And..as your feeble attempts to salvage your failed point drivel on..


They'll buy the weapons systems somewhere, regardless. Might as well be from us.

When Mo?

When the whole thing really started to go south with the original deal...

https://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/20/world/middleeast/saudi-arabia-vows-to-back-egypts-rulers.html

And they started deals with the Turks...and the Germans..instead

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/germany-backing-billion-euro-defense-deal-with-saudi-arabia-a-950759.html

So nothing that points to obama messing up the deal and nothing about any sales.

You really need to read past the headlines Mo.

Germany's Federal Security Council, a nine-member body made up of the chancellor and several ministers whose proceedings are secret, ruled positively on a preliminary inquiry during the last government term, which was headed by Merkel's conservatives and the business-friendly Free Democrats, who have since been voted out of parliament.

Got anything recent about these supposed deals?