Those oh so tolerant little liberals

Pete

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rraley said:
But what I want is for people to stop saying that a radical minority speaks for everyone.
Then your party leadership needs to quiet their rantings in the name of the DNC.......oh wait........the DNC is headed by a radical, the minority leader in the House is a radical, and your parties last presidential candidate was a radical.....maybe YOU as a reasonable logical person are the minority in your party. Kinda makes you think eh?
 

FromTexas

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One of my good friends before I moved here from Texas was a hippie, Vrai. They even still all had their commune intact, but now lived in houses. They just kept the commune and land together and took care of it still. They just preferred to live in homes with A.C. now.

However, I disagree on UT being populated with Hippies. Every university has a large population of young, idealic liberals these days. However, UT is a lot more conservative than most.

And HOW DARE you all have a Texas conversation without sending me a memo first. :hrumph:
 

rraley

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Pete said:
Then your party leadership needs to quiet their rantings in the name of the DNC.......oh wait........the DNC is headed by a radical, the minority leader in the House is a radical, and your parties last presidential candidate was a radical.....maybe YOU as a reasonable logical person are the minority in your party. Kinda makes you think eh?

You cannot tell me that John Kerry was a radical...liberal, yes, hard to understand, yes, radical, no.

Nancy Pelosi, yes, radical, but Tom DeLay, yes, radical.

Howard Dean, yes, radical, but Mark Mehlman, yes, radical.

Take it all with a grain of salt, sir.
 

Bustem' Down

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FromTexas said:
However, I disagree on UT being populated with Hippies. Every university has a large population of young, idealic liberals these days. However, UT is a lot more conservative than most.

And HOW DARE you all have a Texas conversation without sending me a memo first. :hrumph:

Really? I haven't lived in Texas since I joined the military, but back then it was always the more liberal seeming university. Tech and TCU obviously more consevative and others like TA&M and U of H somewhere in the middle.
 

FromTexas

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Bustem' Down said:
Really? I haven't lived in Texas since I joined the military, but back then it was always the more liberal seeming university. Tech and TCU obviously more consevative and others like TA&M and U of H somewhere in the middle.

Liberal for texas doesn't make it radical or anything. It just makes it less conservative. :neener:
 

vraiblonde

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rraley said:
What in the actions of liberals suggests that they hate Christians?
Are you crazy???
  • Making a big deal about "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance
  • Picking at the new Pope for his religious beliefs
  • Having fits when a community dares to put up a nativity
  • Wanting to refuse funding to the Boy Scouts because they won't let gay guys be troop leaders
  • All the hoopla about Bob Jones University
  • Calling George Bush a zealot because he prays
  • Movies like "Saved!"
  • B!tching about judicial nominees with religious beliefs
  • The crankfest about "Passion of the Christ"
  • Characters like the Church Lady
  • The caterwauling about Holy Wars
  • Every single newspaper article and TV news piece about "evangelical Christians", depicting them ALWAYS with their arms splayed out like some nutjob waiting for the Rapture
Want more? Cuz I got more.
 

Bustem' Down

Give Peas a Chance
FromTexas said:
Liberal for texas doesn't make it radical or anything. It just makes it less conservative. :neener:
Well, that depends on the city. I think Houston was almost all blue this last election. And San Antonio is Red White and Green. :lol:
 

Vince

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vraiblonde said:
Are you crazy???
  • Making a big deal about "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance
  • Picking at the new Pope for his religious beliefs
  • Having fits when a community dares to put up a nativity
  • Wanting to refuse funding to the Boy Scouts because they won't let gay guys be troop leaders
  • All the hoopla about Bob Jones University
  • Calling George Bush a zealot because he prays
  • Movies like "Saved!"
  • B!tching about judicial nominees with religious beliefs
  • The crankfest about "Passion of the Christ"
  • Characters like the Church Lady
  • The caterwauling about Holy Wars
  • Every single newspaper article and TV news piece about "evangelical Christians", depicting them ALWAYS with their arms splayed out like some nutjob waiting for the Rapture
Want more? Cuz I got more.
:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
 

Larry Gude

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Following on Vrai here...

...one of the uncomfortable FACTS about the 10 being filibustered by Senate Democrats right now is that they are all known to be pretty religious folks.
 

rraley

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Democrats are NOT fililbustering these judicial nominees because they have religious faith. They are being filibustered because of the perception that they use that inappropriately apply that religious faith on decisions in secular courts. It is ridiculous to suggest that they are being fililbustered because they are members of their faith. It's that sort of bs that suggests radicalism and a predisposition to misguided conclusions and extreme rhetoric.

As for your exact "examples" of liberals hating Christians (and recall that I have a strong religious faith, which, if I am not mistaken, from your previous posts, you do not vrai...)

Picking at the new Pope for his religious beliefs

Once again, vrai, these "liberals" (a term you use very lightly), are not criticizing Pope Benedict XVI's religious beliefs. They are criticizing parts of the social gospel that he preaches such as the immorality of homosexuality, and the continuation of celibacy and all-male priesthood. This criticism comes not just from liberals but from moderates as well.

Having fits when a community dares to put up a nativity
You saw what, one link to a story from one community posted on here? That indicates a broad, anti-Christian tendency among liberals?

All the hoopla about Bob Jones University
The hoopla about Bob Jones University? A university that says that evolution is made up despite the uniform opinion among distinguished and respected scientific scholars that evolution is a credible and proven theory (though with some flaws); a university that stated that interracial dating was forbidden; a university that referred to Roman Catholicism (my religion) as "satanic"; deserves hoopla.

Movies like "Saved!", Characters like the Church Lady
Both funny, you have to admit; I think that these are more about trying to sell funny stories or get butts in the seats rather than a liberal attempt to "hate Christians."

The caterwauling about Holy Wars
What are you referring to?

Every single newspaper article and TV news piece about "evangelical Christians", depicting them ALWAYS with their arms splayed out like some nutjob waiting for the Rapture
Did you see the Schiavo protestors? What about the sale of over 20 million copies of the Left Behind series? Now, I admit, the media does overplay and generalize the nature of Evangelical Christians, but no more than you do for "liberals," who "hate Christians."

Come on, for someone who preaches the radicalism of the left, it seems like you wouldn't engage in the same sort of radicalism on the right.
 

vraiblonde

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rraley said:
it seems like you wouldn't engage in the same sort of radicalism on the right.
I see. So when I cite legitimate news stories, that is considered "radical". :rolleyes:

This criticism comes not just from liberals but from moderates as well.
Name one. Because you have a weird idea of what constitutes a "moderate".

I gave you several examples of Christian-bashing on the part of liberals. You either pooh-poohed it or told me why the Christians deserved to be bashed. Bad RRaley. Bad.
 

rraley

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Vrai, sure it is legitimate what is happening; but your editorial comments on the facts are just plain indefensible. These things do not occur because liberals "hate Christians;" it is because their worldview is different; they have different priorities.

As for the moderates criticizing the Pope; stop by my church and ask them what they think of the new pope...only hard-liners who prefer that we actually go back to pre-Vatican II theology like the guy; moderates and liberals and level-headed conservatives like him because he's the Pope, but have reservations.

You are right I pooh-poohed your arguments, that is what debate is all about...It's called a counterpoint. And the only example of where I think that the "Christians" deserve it is the BJU one...those people are whacked in their use of religion...Christianity is not meant to be used to forbid interracial dating or to demean Catholicism. So yeah they deserve the hoopla.
 

vraiblonde

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rraley said:
it is because their worldview is different; they have different priorities.
:lmao: :killingme

Well, I criticize liberals because MY worldview is different and I have different priorities.

:killingme
 

rraley

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vraiblonde said:
:lmao: :killingme

Well, I criticize liberals because MY worldview is different and I have different priorities.

:killingme
That's better than criticizing them for "hating Christians."
 

rraley

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vraiblonde said:
My worldview is that they hate Christians. :neener:

Well my worldview that is that EVERY conservative wishes for the Christian faith (except mainstream Protestanism and post-Vatican II Catholicism) to dominate all parts of our personal life from whether we have a feeding tube down our stomach, a porno magazine under the bed, or an attraction to people of the same sex....

(sarcasm alert) :rolleyes:
 

Triggerfish

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I don't like labels like "liberal" and "conservative."


I know that although vrai considers herself a conservative she's not Pro-life on the abortion debate.

Vrai, if people knew you just on the abortion issue, they may label you a liberal. :biggrin:
 

vraiblonde

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Triggerfish said:
Vrai, if people knew you just on the abortion issue, they may label you a liberal. :biggrin:
I'm also pro gay marriage and an atheist. But I still consider myself a conservative because:
  • Although I am pro-abortion, I don't think minors should be able to have one without their parent's permission, and I'm vehemently against partial birth abortion.
  • Although I think gays should be allowed to legally marry, I also think employers and private business owners should be able to refuse gays (or anyone else) employment or service if it offends them.
  • Although I don't believe in God, I'm not hostile to those who do, nor do I start foaming at the mouth when I see a nativity or hear the words "under God" in the Pledge.
 
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