Trump declares 'public health emergency' over opioid crisis

black dog

Free America
The people have become convinced that if the government does nothing, that's akin to approving of the problem. I see this more as our (the people's) fault, by always looking towards the government to solve problems that we should be solving ourselves.

Yep,. It's amazing what poor choices and bad behaviors folks will blame on anybody but themselves... If you wanna make folks bad behavior change, you gotta make them uncomfortable with the choices they made... And constantly dumping money on the bad behavior, is just enabling the bad behavior..
Like say,,,, Putting a heroin addict on methadone.
 

Hijinx

Well-Known Member
The War on Drugs could have reduced the problem...except that Leftist, like the ones who've been running this country forever, suck at fighting wars. I offer up all their other wars as evidence.

More of our elected leaders than we want to admit are on the drug cartel payrolls, or benefit in some financial way. Why else on earth would they not only allow, but encourage Mexican illegals to pour across our borders?

The reason this problem hasn't been fixed is because our government never wanted it to be fixed. You can call me a conspiracy theorist kook all you want, but for generations our government has done everything in its power to create dependency in the populace. Welfare, drugs, our schools...

Hell, you could make an enormous dent in our drug culture just by seriously punishing the druggies who make their problem someone else's problem by theft or violence. Instead, we revere psychotic celebrities who drop like flies from OD. We mourn a Heath Ledger - that genius who died in a pool of his own puke. That's cool, man. That's a cool dude right there. Let's give that genius an Academy Award!

:ohwell:

I have more, but I have to work. You get the gist, though.

There are good points in your argument. One thing we need to do is stop the FBI from farting around with fake Russian stories about Trump and put them to work finding out who is laundering the drug money. One of the biggest problems with the drug war is that the countries where the drugs come from are in league with the cartels. Mexico for example is an outlaw country. The Government there is run by the cartels. Mexico has no interest in stopping the people from crossing the border, it means they do not have top look out for them and we do. They sure do not want these illegals sent back, then they have to feed them and educate them. We know where the Poppys are grown. so do the countries that grow them. Nothing is being done to stop it. In fact we were guarding the poppy fields in Afghanistan instead of destroying them.
 

black dog

Free America
The War on Drugs could have reduced the problem...except that Leftist, like the ones who've been running this country forever, suck at fighting wars. I offer up all their other wars as evidence.

More of our elected leaders than we want to admit are on the drug cartel payrolls, or benefit in some financial way. Why else on earth would they not only allow, but encourage Mexican illegals to pour across our borders?

The reason this problem hasn't been fixed is because our government never wanted it to be fixed. You can call me a conspiracy theorist kook all you want, but for generations our government has done everything in its power to create dependency in the populace. Welfare, drugs, our schools...

Hell, you could make an enormous dent in our drug culture just by seriously punishing the druggies who make their problem someone else's problem by theft or violence. Instead, we revere psychotic celebrities who drop like flies from OD. We mourn a Heath Ledger - that genius who died in a pool of his own puke. That's cool, man. That's a cool dude right there. Let's give that genius an Academy Award!

:ohwell:

I have more, but I have to work. You get the gist, though.

I'm thinking your big into the conspiracy thinking, moving forward,
For some reason did you miss the extended prison sentences of the 70's through the 2000's that did nothing to stem the tide of drug sales here?
I grew up with guys that within a few years of getting out of HS were arrested for importing and trafficking coke, their Federal sentences were 30 to 40+ years..
 

black dog

Free America
Criticizes education....

Uses 'there' instead of 'their'

PRICELESS!!! :yay:

Look.... The one mocking the admitted poor speller uses extra periods just like the poor speller.. Your daddy if you know who he is, should get his money back spent on your college also..
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
The reason this problem hasn't been fixed is because our government never wanted it to be fixed. You can call me a conspiracy theorist kook all you want, but for generations our government has done everything in its power to create dependency in the populace.


Solving the Problem would put the Prison Industrial Complex out of Business and a gaggle of ATF / DEA Agents ....


also I read somewhere recently Congress [ weakening FDA Rules ] and Drug Companies were responsible for the epidemic

ya know Weaken Rules Drug Companies sell more drugs

while pills may have / could have been easier to procure ... ultimately the responsibility lays with the pill popper
 

Hijinx

Well-Known Member
Woop..Woop,,, to who dies with the most toys...

I could stop it in a few days, but they won't pass my idea.
When they catch a drug dealer with the product on him make him eat it right on the spot.

It will sure cut down on how much they carry.
 

SamSpade

Well-Known Member
Look.... The one mocking the admitted poor speller uses extra periods just like the poor speller.. Your daddy if you know who he is, should get his money back spent on your college also..

?????
It's actually called an ellipsis, and it's used to suggest a pause in dialogue - or to omit words or phrases that are implied.
It is typically done with three periods, but four are acceptable if it's used at the end of a sentence.

Punctuation and mistaken use of words or homonyms I'm not crazy about, but misspellings are inexcusable since the forum editor HAS an automatic spell-checker.
 

black dog

Free America
?????
It's actually called an ellipsis, and it's used to suggest a pause in dialogue - or to omit words or phrases that are implied.
It is typically done with three periods, but four are acceptable if it's used at the end of a sentence.

Punctuation and mistaken use of words or homonyms I'm not crazy about, but misspellings are inexcusable since the forum editor HAS an automatic spell-checker.


Sam, it's a internet forum.................. Not a dissertation for a doctorate...Flush the sand out of your coohie ........................
Who cares...
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black dog

Free America
their

And she's right - mark your calendar - substance abuse has nothing to do with morality.

So in the last two years you have changed your opinion it seems.
Here's one of your posts on a different thread.

What, Ms. Rosela, do you want the county to do? YOU are the parent. What can the county give him that you cannot? Support? Supervision? It costs nothing to look up NA groups in this area and attend their meetings.

I get so tired of everyone thinking that it's up to the government to solve their problems and make their choices for them. I have sympathy for the parents of any kid who goes astray (unless the parent is a POS who is part of the problem), but at some point your kid needs to take responsibility for himself.

This is why I also get tired of the old "addiction is a disease" saw. No, it's not. Diabetes is a disease. Cancer is a disease. Addiction is a choice. Calling it a disease removes all responsibility from the addict, which is 9/10ths of their problem in the first place.
 

philibusters

Active Member
We can be the generation that ends the epidemic

The epidemic is less than 20 years old. Before doctors starting prescribing opioids in the mid-1990s for chronic pain (they had previously only prescribed them for terminal patients) there were maybe 5,000 opioid deaths per year (mostly heroin).
 

philibusters

Active Member
Absolutely not, altering the mind with drugs, alcohol and products from nature have been going on all most as long as man has walked the earth..
The legislative branch's of the county, state and federal government always try to legislate the folks morality... It has never worked before, nor will it ever work.

The opioid crisis is relatively new. In the mid 90's the number of people in the U.S. who died annually from opioid overdoses was around 5,000 (and the number pretty much rose in correlation to the increase in the general population). We are approaching 40,000 now. The origins of the crisis are well known too. Opioids have morphine and heroin have always been effective pain killers and likewise they have always been highly addictive. Until the mid 1990's doctors did not prescribe opioids for chronic pain, only terminally ill patients (because if you are going to die in a month, does it really matter if you die addicted to opioids if the opioids are giving you a much higher quality of life in that month). In the mid 1990's some pain specialists claimed opioids like oxycodone were not as addictive as originally thought and that time released opioids like oxycontin (which is a time released version of oxycodone) were even less addictive. Both those premises proved to be false. Oxycodone is very addictive and oxycontin time release mechanicism can be negated by simply chewing the pill rather than swallowing it). In the late 1990s the number of opioid addicts started rising and they were mostly people originally prescribed opioids. In the first decade of the 2000's as opioids became more available people without prescriptions starting using them as a party drug and prescription mills would give anybody a prescription. Also in the first decade of the 2000's, Mexican drug operations (not syndicates) starting following the prescription drug and selling black tar heroin. Black tar heroin is a cheap and potent heroin that costs only about 1/4th of the price of prescription drugs for the same high. Fentaynl is the newest drug--a synthetic drug that is even cheaper than black tar heroin.
 

black dog

Free America
Yea... Because opium use is something new to the world in the past 20 years..
You might want to go and read about why the first drug acts were done here almost 100 years ago.. Do you think America wasn't being self medicating with opiates long before that?
 

Hank

my war
Please tell us how after thousands of years of indulging, Trump is going to get the drug addicts to live a clean life? A new War on Drugs perhaps?
Make it Against the Law? How about a New Drug Act? Exspecially since the last 80+ years of Drug Acts have had such a huge impact on the over medicated country we live in..
I'll wait......

Come on, Man! Just Say No / War on Drugs was a huge success and Trump is just the "man" to become the ambassador to such a huge success! :bigwhoop:
 
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