Trump Trial

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member

Has It Already Backfired?


Thursday evening the “news” was released smack in the middle of the afternoon drive news cycle.

For maximum effect the disgraced Manhattan’s DA office confirmed the former President Donald J. Trump would be facing an arraignment on charges stemming from a new “hot off the presses” indictment.


Already likely the worst kept secret in Manhattan for the better part of the last two months, this move gave the media, rivals and opponents to the former President, and most significantly the current administration,a moment to clink their glasses and raise a toast to the fact that they had finally “gotten him.”

Now what?
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member

Former Manhattan DA Says Trump Complaints May Escalate Case Against Him



“I’ve got to say that I was disturbed to hear the former president speak in the way he spoke about the District Attorney Bragg and even the trial court in the past week,” Vance told the show’s moderator, Chuck Todd.

“And I think, if I were his lawyer – and believe me, no one has called up to ask for my advice – I would be mindful of not committing some other criminal offense, like obstruction of governmental administration, which is interfering with, by threat or otherwise, the operation of government,” Vance continued.

“And I think that could take what perhaps we think is not the strongest case, when you add a count like that, put it in front of a jury – it can change the jury’s mind about the severity of the case that they’re looking at,” he said.
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member

Manhattan Judge to Put ‘Gag Order’ on Donald Trump



“The Trump legal team now thinks that the Manhattan judge will take the unprecedented step of silencing the presidential frontrunner with an unconstitutional gag order tomorrow,” the source said. “The Trump legal team is considering adding a First Amendment lawyer to the effort to combat this and will fight it all the way.”

Trump campaign spokesman Steven Cheung, in response to the news about a possible gag order, told Breitbart News that the former president stands for the freedom of speech and that Americans should be highly concerned about any efforts like this to stifle free speech.

“President Trump stands for transparency and our American Constitution, and any attempt to prevent him, the leading candidate for President, from exercising his First Amendment right is a tyrannical, third-world country move which further proves that this is nothing more than a political witch-hunt utilizing a weaponized justice system,” Cheung said. “All Americans should be concerned about their rights being violated and any attempt to obstruct President Trump’s right to use his voice in order to speak truth to power should never be tolerated. The whole targeted crusade is a complete political farce by the Manhattan DA meant to manipulate and interfere with an election against President Trump and his supporters.”
 

SamSpade

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I’ve been reading the Facebook pages of people I know who are obsessed with Trump. They’re posting every hour. Their posts demonstrate a hatred I have rarely seen in my lifetime. Their rationale is - he’s always been the world’s worst criminal and if he goes to jail over jaywalking and parking tickets then justice finally prevails.

I don’t have to even like Trump to know it would be a travesty of justice IF you could jail someone for stuff that either isn’t a crime or so minor a crime that almost anyone could be accused of it.

I know that people who HATE the guy feel that their wish has been granted. What I see is a party in power is using its position to send opponents to prison. You know, like they do in Iran or Russia.
 

vraiblonde

Board Mommy
PREMO Member
Patron
Gag orders are bullshit. If there's a case against you, under our Constitution you're allowed to defend yourself. The government has no constitutional power to silence you against your accusers, and in fact it's just the opposite.
 

vraiblonde

Board Mommy
PREMO Member
Patron
I’ve been reading the Facebook pages of people I know who are obsessed with Trump. They’re posting every hour. Their posts demonstrate a hatred I have rarely seen in my lifetime. Their rationale is - he’s always been the world’s worst criminal and if he goes to jail over jaywalking and parking tickets then justice finally prevails.

I don’t have to even like Trump to know it would be a travesty of justice IF you could jail someone for stuff that either isn’t a crime or so minor a crime that almost anyone could be accused of it.

I know that people who HATE the guy feel that their wish has been granted. What I see is a party in power is using its position to send opponents to prison. You know, like they do in Iran or Russia.

See? Covid lockdowns were a trial balloon to see how we'd react. Would we mindlessly obey, or would we tell Big Government to **** itself and put all their heads on a pike? Enough of us mindlessly obeyed that now they're emboldened to take their opponents as political prisoners, and you saw yourself how many dumbasses are cheering it on.

History repeats itself because humans never change.
 

SamSpade

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See? Covid lockdowns were a trial balloon to see how we'd react. Would we mindlessly obey, or would we tell Big Government to **** itself and put all their heads on a pike? Enough of us mindlessly obeyed that now they're emboldened to take their opponents as political prisoners, and you saw yourself how many dumbasses are cheering it on.

History repeats itself because humans never change.
I was this morning reading a celebrity’s position on a few social issues - and at one point they said that they supported socialized medicine because we should take care of each other.

And THAT is another case where it was made clear between conservatives and liberals.

When *I* hear “we ought to take care of each other” my first thoughts run to volunteering and helping my neighbors. Caring for one another means I should do it. NOT doing that means - I am NOT caring for my fellow citizens.

To a lib like this celebrity - it means - the government. I’ve touched on this before. To a liberal, “we” is the government, whereas to you and me, we means ME LITERALLY along with others I know. If there’s a hurricane or flood, we means get your ass down there and do it.

I suppose this arises more among non-urban folks who know if there’s an emergency - there’s a high likelihood you’ll have to do it yourself.

But it’s like this - they think we should trust that the government has our back. I want to ask them - do the people in Russia or China believe the government has their back? If this was 1776 - what would people think if I believed the King would take care of me?

Why doesn’t everyone have a LITTLE hesitation at relying on the government?
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
When *I* hear “we ought to take care of each other”


Yep to a lefty that means spending Gov Cheese .... never would an Elitist stoop to getting their hands dirty, they stay safe in their gated communities with their armed guards
 

SamSpade

Well-Known Member
Yep to a lefty that means spending Gov Cheese .... never would an Elitist stoop to getting their hands dirty, they stay safe in their gated communities with their armed guards
I do think it’s the way many of them think - that “we” is something different.

I’ve used this example often but it illustrates it perfectly.

We had a situation in our office that when events like birthdays or funerals or weddings or births happened, it strangely would take the collective office by surprise and there was no gift or card from them.

So they created a “sunshine fund”. Every week, everyone would pitch in a certain amount and the job fell to one person to make sure a gift or card or flowers were delivered. I didn’t like it at all; it was highly impersonal. I didn’t want a gift pulled from some “fund”. It repulsed me. I told them I would not participate. But I also told the person in charge that I WOULD give on my OWN.

And I was justified. I saw a supervisor lose her father - and they did NOTHING. I saw the timekeeper who famously did no work except do her work for a Bible degree get a party when she got the degree.

It was because the people kicking in didn’t give a crap where the money went - THEIR responsibility was covered with a weekly payment. It would say thank you or congratulations from all of us even if they had NO IDEA how it was spent. THEY were being generous.

Oddly enough I got the reputation as a miserly tightwad who refused to be generous. Only the person in charge knew that my private donations to the fund exceeded everyone else’s by two to one. And I insisted they not be told. Bible says to give in secret. I didn’t want thanks - I wanted them to have something nice.

Because I believed that I should do it myself, I got branded as a stingy jerk. Only two people knew I was doing more than the rest - because I knew I couldn’t trust the collective to be fair to everyone.
 

Hijinx

Well-Known Member
It's hard to go from the Trump Presidency to this dingbat we have now and still believe in the dingbat, but hate is a terrific tool and it is well used by the Democrats.
 

HemiHauler

Well-Known Member
Gag orders are bullshit. If there's a case against you, under our Constitution you're allowed to defend yourself. The government has no constitutional power to silence you against your accusers, and in fact it's just the opposite.

Hey Pookie?

I realize the Judicial Branch isn’t your strong suit. Hell, the Executive and Legislative aren’t either for that matter.

But gag orders are not uncommon and are perfectly legal. As usual, your handlers misinform you. Woefully so.

You see, a gag order isn’t intended nor does it prevent one from defending oneself. A gag order isn’t intended nor does it prevent oneself from “silencing you against your accusers” (LOL, that one is a particularly adorable take. Did your handlers feed you that line?)

Oh, and Pookie? Chances are good your cult leader very likely won’t abide the gag order, since the punishment is not more than a slap on the hands. And believe me: that would be the dumbest thing he could do for his defense. As such l, I hope he runs his mouth lots.
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member

Destroying the Rule of Law



If you dislike Donald Trump, that is your right. However, if you dislike the rule of law that is supposed to govern these United States of America, we have a problem. The indictment of a former U.S. President and declared candidate for president, is highly disconcerting, especially when one considers the nature of the so-called "charges." I could not care less if Donald Trump gave "hush" money to a porn star back in 2016. What concerns me is why a misdemeanor is being upgraded to a felony offense by a New York City District Attorney. The same DA who downgraded felony offenses to misdemeanors and released violent criminals back onto the streets to continue assaulting innocent citizens. Why does this same DA prosecute something that has gone past the statute of limitations? Something his predecessor refused to pursue, along with the Federal Election Commission and the Department of Justice.

Okay, I get it--there are those who just cannot wait to see mug shots and handcuffs on a former President Donald Trump. However, what if there had been mug shots and handcuffs on Bill Clinton? After all, here is someone who was a sitting president who sexually assaulted a young female intern in the Oval Office . . . and then lied about it. Ahh, I get it, we were told that it wasn't about character, it was about the economy.

We have seen a president who lied about an incident that resulted in the deaths of Americans, who were abandoned to face Islamic jihadists. No big deal. The same president started a program to undermine the Second Amendment rights of Americans by flooding weapons into Mexico, Operation Fast and Furious. Hint--not the movie. The endeavor resulted in the death of a U.S. Border Patrol agent, Bryan Terry. Hey, no big deal. As a matter of fact, athen soon-to-be Democrat presidential nominee asserted, "what difference does it make?" That seems to be the theme when it comes to the bifurcated system of justice in America.
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member

Proof of Political Persecution Emerges, DA Bragg’s Chief of Staff Wanted Trump Banned From Office



As Chief of Staff for Bragg, Stockdale’s obvious bias against former President Trump should raise questions about both his and Bragg’s ability to perform their duties impartially. Many Republicans have voiced their concern about the partisanship and lack of objectivity from the Left during Trump’s witch hunt indictment.

Screenshots revealed that Stockdale was liking comments from Bernie Sanders, Hilary Clinton, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and many other left-winged members that were bashing Trump on Twitter.

Stockdale has since deleted his Twitter account.


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GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
But I want to re-up my comments from Saturday when I said this “charge stacking” is likely what would happen. Prosecutors can try to charge as many things as they can, even if those charges only pertain to one incident. So let’s assume for the moment in this alleged “falsification of business records” charge, that Trump had to file a form that had signatures or initials on the same form multiple times. Each signature/initial could be counted as a potential charge, even if it’s all on the same form and just one incident. So if you had a 34-page form with signatures or initials on each page, you could potentially make 34 charges out of it. We’ll know when we see the real indictment to see precisely what they are talking about. It’s also a bit of flooding of the jury, all they would have to agree to is one to convict. This increases that possibility.

But I think this is mostly about making Trump look bad to the public and the potential jury pool. It’s about having people go “34 charges!!!” and say how awful Trump is, when it all may apply just to the one matter. It’s trying to make the turkey of a case look like it’s something more than it is by buffaloing people with the number. I think it’s more evidence of the bias in this matter, as this shows Bragg trying to throw everything and anything against the wall to try to make something stick when what he truly has is a legally pathetic case.

Then the report says that they’re Class E felonies. That’s the lowest felony. As we noted, he’s already may be bootstrapping this matter by taking what would be a misdemeanor ordinarily and trying to make it a felony. But that raises questions about how he’s charging that, if it’s truly a federal crime (and thus not properly charged here in New York), and if there are statute of limitations issues that he’s trying to get around in this endeavor. As I wrote, Trump’s attorney has already said he’s going to move to have the case dismissed. Those issues and others may factor into any such motion, depending on what the indictment shows on Tuesday.



 
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