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This_person

Well-Known Member
Most police officers never fire their weapon in the defense of themselves or others. If it is reasonable to disarm the citizens for this reason, it is equally reasonable to disarm the police.

If it seems ludicrous to disarm the police, it should equally seem ludicrous to disarm the citizens.
 

Kyle

ULTRA-F###ING-MAGA!
PREMO Member
Most police officers never fire their weapon in the defense of themselves or others. If it is reasonable to disarm the citizens for this reason, it is equally reasonable to disarm the police.

If it seems ludicrous to disarm the police, it should equally seem ludicrous to disarm the citizens.

But! But! But! But! The racist nazi cops have to have them so they can kill the criminal brown people and give them a reason to riot!
 

Sapidus

Well-Known Member
Go ahead and google the leading cause of infant and toddler death.

And now you want to use a dead toddler as a human shield for your politics. You are a despicable person.

Says that woman who wants McCain to stroke out and die already? Hypocrite.
 

Sapidus

Well-Known Member
So, you're point is, because of these rare instances of accidental shootings every American can't be trusted to handle firearms to defend themselves?

Don’t get your panties all in a bunch. The point of the article was that most people won’t use a gun in self defense just like most people won’t shoot their toddler to death. But it happens.
 

This_person

Well-Known Member
Don’t get your panties all in a bunch. The point of the article was that most people won’t use a gun in self defense just like most people won’t shoot their toddler to death. But it happens.

Of course, the fact is that people are 8 times more likely to use their guns in self defense than in the commission of a crime. Even more likely to use it for defense than in an accident.

But, when facts are not your friend you ignore them, don't you?
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
The point of the article was that most people won’t use a gun in self defense ....



yeah :bs:

But it happens

Indeed it does


https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/02/defensive-gun-ownership-gary-kleck-response-115082

If DeFilippis and Hughes could refute any of our rebuttals, that would be news worth attending to. They do not, however, identify any problems with our refutations, such as errors in our logic, or superior evidence that contradicts any of our rebuttals. Instead, they just pretend they are not aware of the rebuttals, even though our first systematic dismantling of Hemenway’s speculations was published in the exact same issue of the journal that published Hemenway's 1997 critique, on the pages immediately following the Hemenway article.

The authors, a couple of Oklahoma investment counselors with no graduate degrees, do not claim to have had any training in survey research methods. Like Hemenway (who is also untrained in survey methods), they believe that it’s perfectly plausible that surveys generate enormous over-estimates of crime-related experiences, as if this were the most commonplace thing in the world. The reality that survey experts are familiar with, however, is that surveys of the general public simply do not overestimate crime-related experiences.

In order for a survey respondent to report a typical DGU, she or he must be willing to report all three of the following elements of the event: (1) a crime victimization experience, (2) his or her possession of a gun, and (3) his or her own commission of a crime. The last element is relevant because most DGUs occur away from the user’s home, and only about 1 percent of the population in 1993, when we conducted our survey, had a permit that allowed them to legally carry a gun through public spaces. Thus, although survey-reported defensive gun uses themselves rarely involve criminal behavior (that is, the defender did not use the gun to commit a criminal assault or other offense), most (at least back in 1993) involved unlawful possession of a gun in a public place by the defender.

So what does research on the flaws in surveys of crime-related behaviors tell us? It consistently indicates that survey respondents underreport (1) crime victimization experiences, (2) gun ownership and (3) their own illegal behavior. While it is true that a few respondents overstate their crime-related experiences, they are greatly outnumbered by those who understate them, i.e. those who falsely deny having the experience when in fact they did. In sum, research tells us that surveys underestimate the frequency of crime victimizations, gun possession and self-reported illegal behavior. Yet DeFilippis and Hughes somehow manage to conclude that defensive gun uses—incidents that always involve the first two of those elements, and usually the third as well—are overestimated in surveys.
 
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PsyOps

Pixelated
Don’t get your panties all in a bunch. The point of the article was that most people won’t use a gun in self defense just like most people won’t shoot their toddler to death. But it happens.

And what was the point of you posting an article about an accidental shooting of a 2 year old?

You really think we're too stupid to see what the purpose of that study and you posting your article was?
 

Gilligan

#*! boat!
PREMO Member
Don’t get your panties all in a bunch. The point of the article was that most people won’t use a gun in self defense just like most people won’t shoot their toddler to death. But it happens.

Most people will never use a fire extinguisher in their lifetime either. :yay:
 

Sapidus

Well-Known Member
And what was the point of you posting an article about an accidental shooting of a 2 year old?

You really think we're too stupid to see what the purpose of that study and you posting your article was?

What was the point of posting the Op's article then?
 

PsyOps

Pixelated
What was the point of posting the Op's article then?

To show that we really don't need to be armed to defend ourselves because, well, it's unlikely we'd ever need to use it. Just another point to try to support why we, the people, have no need to be armed at all.

If that's not the point, then what is it? If it's just to show a stat, then................. so freaking what!
 
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