Larry Gude
Strung Out
progressives blame the tool, not the wielder
You know, this game just goes on and on.
What does the right do? Blame the user, the wielder? Or do prohibition and go after the 'tool'?
progressives blame the tool, not the wielder
I do find it amusing that so many men are against abortion and constantly argue their point. It's like they also have the plumbing to actually become pregnant.
The data on abortions displayed on the Worldometers' counter is based on the latest statistics on worldwide abortions published by the World Health Organization (WHO). According to WHO, every year in the world there are an estimated 40-50 million abortions. This corresponds to approximately 125,000 abortions per day.
http://www.worldometers.info/abortions/
Last I say was 6-700,000
You know, this game just goes on and on.
What does the right do?
Conservative lawmakers would do well letting the entire topic of abortion just wither away and let sleeping dogs sleep.
expects someone to be held responsible for their actions
You know, this game just goes on and on.
What does the right do? Blame the user, the wielder? Or do prohibition and go after the 'tool'?
Woodrow Wilson was president during Prohibition. WW was a Democrat, not a "rightie".
Yes, Conservatives hold people responsible, not tools.
The argument MR made is 100% inaccurate, and he knows it.
But, under 1 year old children have numerous couples just waiting to be able to adopt them. So many that we're going overseas, illegally selling kids, etc., etc. The argument MR made is 100% inaccurate, and he knows it.
AH, good. So I can put you down for 'yes' for legalization then. Glad to hear it!
As I've tried to say - there's different populations we're dealing with. Most people want to adopt a baby. That's just the way it works. As such, adopting babies, newborns and toddlers is a far cry from adopting older children in foster care, many of whom are there not because they've been floating around since birth, but because they've been removed from their home. In some cases - such as my foster brother growing up - they were not "allowed" to be adopted, because of the wishes of the family he was born into. They didn't want him, but wouldn't consent to letting adoption.
With babies, there's a high demand. You can't compare the number adopted last year to an additional number added because of children being given up for adoption as saying "see, there's only so much demand". No, there's only so much SUPPLY. Demand is high. When you can't adopt a child at all UNTIL you are chosen by a birth mother - who is STILL CARRYING the child - this demonstrates demand is high. Birth mother gets to see many profiles of prospective parents - and she chooses ONE couple. Lots of couples never get chosen.
I think you'd be surprised if this ever happened. Sadly, we are not encouraging mothers to bring children to term - and then give them up.
You have blind spots and illogical reason and so do they. You make excuses if your side does it and there can be none when they do it.
Just for clarity's sake, (a) it's "let sleeping dogs lie", and (b) most conservative lawmakers do not bring it up. Most conservative lawmakers are hounded by people who are afraid the conservative lawmaker will bring it up.
My argument began in a different direction - and it's that the left usually looks to government to solve their problems on these things - and the right goes a different route.I was once in a church where several young couples needed help.
The older church members wanted to raise money and give it to them.
Many church members wanted to find government programs to help them.
Me? I belonged to the group that went to their house and cleaned it for them and took them out and bought clothes.
That's how I see much of the left/right divide - should government fix the problem? Or should *I* fix the problem?
The left thinks government is "we" - the right does not.
"We" do. And, the point you quoted is inaccurate, to say the least. There are long (years long) waiting lists to adopt babies
Apparently you don't live in the Bible belt..
From the numbers I have been reading there is about 110,000 kids in Foster care at any given time, about 7 to 12 thousand age out each year. The average age of the children is 7-8 years old.
About 7 to 10 thousand are adopted each year.
There is plenty of children available for adoption, even infants. It just that the available children take to are from the wrong country or have the wrong skin color for the stereotypical white family to adapt.