‘After prayerful consideration,’

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KC-area Catholic school kicks boy out to punish his mom | Opinion


Will Muller, a rising sixth grader at St. John LaLande Catholic School in Blue Springs, has been kicked out — “disenrolled” after much prayer, according to a July 19 letter from the principal, Susan Martin.

This is not because Will, who is 11, was struggling academically or did anything wrong. On the contrary, “he’s an ‘A’ student,” said the mother of a classmate, and liked by everybody. “My son would say he’s the only one who never talks or gets in any trouble.”

According to the letter, he’s being expelled because his parents, Paul and Hollee Muller, have “stated both verbally and in writing you do not agree with nor do you support the teachings of the Catholic Church. After prayerful consideration and discussion among our school administration it is obvious we no longer have a partnership with you, since the values of your family are not in alignment with those of our school. Therefore, the school administration has made the decision to disenroll your child from our school.”

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As a private school, of course, St. John can expel anyone, any time, for any reason or none. Parents at the school sign a “covenant” that they will support church teachings, and Hollee freely admits that while she’s a weekly Mass attending Catholic, she does not agree with everything her faith teaches.

But punishing a child for the dissension of his parents does seem heartless: “He’s in tears,” Hollee said.

It’s only this decision by the school, she says, that has shaken her faith, not in God, but “in whether I do belong in the church.”



Read more at: https://www.kansascity.com/opinion/...nneberger/article277734988.html#storylink=cpy
 

vraiblonde

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A good quality education. Sometimes for have to STFU for the good of your kid.

Then she should have STFU. I personally wouldn't pay to send my kid to a school that taught them something I didn't believe in.

So let's say this is a conservative Catholic school and not one of the progbot crazy ones that have infected the world. Mom is upset because she's a leftwing nutter who wants to mutilate children and have porn available in the school library. Is the school still wrong to boot this kid out?

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So let's say this is a conservative Catholic school and not one of the progbot crazy ones that have infected the world. Mom is upset because she's a leftwing nutter who wants to mutilate children and have porn available in the school library. Is the school still wrong to boot this kid out?


No and a pledge is signed to support the message of the Church ... the parents should be excommunicated as well
 

stgislander

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Then she should have STFU. I personally wouldn't pay to send my kid to a school that taught them something I didn't believe in.

So let's say this is a conservative Catholic school and not one of the progbot crazy ones that have infected the world. Mom is upset because she's a leftwing nutter who wants to mutilate children and have porn available in the school library. Is the school still wrong to boot this kid out?

:popcorn:
I don't believe in punishing the child for the sins of the parents. That said, based on the Covenant signed and the parents' outspokenness against church teachings, the school made a choice.
 

seekeroftruth

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Then she should have STFU. I personally wouldn't pay to send my kid to a school that taught them something I didn't believe in.

So let's say this is a conservative Catholic school and not one of the progbot crazy ones that have infected the world. Mom is upset because she's a leftwing nutter who wants to mutilate children and have porn available in the school library. Is the school still wrong to boot this kid out?

:popcorn:
Why would you say that?

I don't believe a priest can sit in between me and God. Does that make me a leftwing nutter who wants to mutilate children and have porn available? I don't believe any human has the right to "judge" my sins and tell me how to "repent". Does that make me a villain?

She paid good money to put her child in that school. She has the right to free speech. They knew who she was before she gave them the tuition money or the voucher. She should have found or founded another Christian Academy but that would take time and money.

After prayer.... ????

Why would you say that about that woman???

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Ken King

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Did anyone read the linked opinion piece? Seems it isn't the Catholic doctrine that was an issue but the calling out of the "fire and brimstone" Father that took over as principal, his "my way or the highway" methodology and his ire at being challenged.
 

vraiblonde

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Why would you say that?

I don't believe a priest can sit in between me and God. Does that make me a leftwing nutter who wants to mutilate children and have porn available? I don't believe any human has the right to "judge" my sins and tell me how to "repent". Does that make me a villain?

She paid good money to put her child in that school. She has the right to free speech. They knew who she was before she gave them the tuition money or the voucher. She should have found or founded another Christian Academy but that would take time and money.

After prayer.... ????

Why would you say that about that woman???

:coffee:

This is the most Democrat response ever. :lol:

Now you can go back and actually read my post....or not. Don't care.
 

stgislander

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Did anyone read the linked opinion piece? Seems it isn't the Catholic doctrine that was an issue but the calling out of the "fire and brimstone" Father that took over as principal, his "my way or the highway" methodology and his ire at being challenged.
Why wouldn't removing LGBT+ books from the school library be RC doctrine?
 

stgislander

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How does overtly homophobic actions align with "love thy neighbor as you love yourself"?
So you are saying that the RC should celebrate "shameful lusts" as was discussed earlier in Romans 1 so as not to run afoul of Jesus' new commandment.
 

Ken King

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So you are saying that the RC should celebrate "shameful lusts" as was discussed earlier in Romans 1 so as not to run afoul of Jesus' new commandment.
Nope, didn't say that at all. That is all YOU.

What I initially pointed out, that you just jumped right around, was that based on the opinion of the writer of the article (and apparently several of the parents she spoke with), this new Father brought some form of superior being complex with him where he is lord and master and you will comply. He even had the principal do his dirty work for him. From what I read the Father's ire apparently coming from Hollee who "was vice president of the school’s advisory board, and she objected to changes at the school since Father Sean McCaffery became pastor of the parish a year ago."
 

stgislander

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Nope, didn't say that at all. That is all YOU.

What I initially pointed out, that you just jumped right around, was that based on the opinion of the writer of the article (and apparently several of the parents she spoke with), this new Father brought some form of superior being complex with him where he is lord and master and you will comply. He even had the principal do his dirty work for him. From what I read the Father's ire apparently coming from Hollee who "was vice president of the school’s advisory board, and she objected to changes at the school since Father Sean McCaffery became pastor of the parish a year ago."
You do know how the RC Church works right? Nothing in the RC gets done without approval from above. If this new priest came in all hell fire and brimstone and started acting like "lord and master", that's because he was sent there by the Archdiocese to do just that and clean the school up. I'm not even RC and even I know that.
 
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Ken King

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You do know how the RC Church works right? Nothing in the RC gets done without approval from above. If this new priest came in all hell fire and brimstone and started acting like "lord and master", that's because he was sent there by the Archdiocese to do just that and clean the school up. I'm not even RC and even I know that.
Nope, I can't say for certain I do, as I have seen/read/heard of some hellacious things they seem to tolerate that are beyond understanding. But what I do have is a pretty good grab on what is right and what is wrong. And punishing a kid for what is alleged of their parents doing is wrong.

You say you know why this Father was sent there, how so? Its just as likely that he was shipped there to relieve someone else's headache elsewhere.
 

stgislander

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You say you know why this Father was sent there, how so? Its just as likely that he was shipped there to relieve someone else's headache elsewhere.
Obviously I cannot say that for certain, but it sure sounds like modus operandi for the RC Church. If the Archdiocese was happy with the way the school was being run, that priest would not have been put there.
 
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Obviously I cannot say that for certain, but it sure sounds like modus operandi for the RC Church. If the Archdiocese was happy with the way the school was being run, that priest would not have been put there.
Or the Archdiocese had to get him out of where he was and thought "hey let's send him here - he can't possibly phuk them up as bad as he has here".
 

vraiblonde

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Did anyone read the linked opinion piece? Seems it isn't the Catholic doctrine that was an issue but the calling out of the "fire and brimstone" Father that took over as principal, his "my way or the highway" methodology and his ire at being challenged.

One would think the parents would voluntarily take their kid out of a school like that. I don''t really understand the problem here.

This school sucks!
Fine, you're kicked out.
What?? You can't do that!!

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Ken King

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I don''t really understand the problem here.
I'm sure it isn't a problem for you, but punishing the kid for the alleged slight/disrespect/whatever towards the Father isn't right. Your solution is to brush it off, move on and don't sweat it. But it seems the Muller's are/were deeply invested in the school and church, something you might not be familiar with.
 
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