McCain is an idiot. I give you campaign finance reform as proof.Tonio said:
2008 Presidential Race
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Bruzilla
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I don't see the NRA or Religious nutjobs supporting Rudy.
I see Condi Rice as the 08 candidate.
I see Condi Rice as the 08 candidate.
Why are you bigoted? Everyone has to be PC and treat all groups with kid gloves EXCEPT Christians and Jews, then it is OK to bash away. I and my 25 million Christian brothers and sisters are tired of it.Bruzilla said:
Tonio
Asperger's Poster Child
I have my doubts that McCain-Feinggold will do much good in the long run. Still, I give him points for at least pushing to change the status quo.vraiblonde said:
As I said before, what I really want is public financing of campaigns. Vrai, you've said you favor completely open disclosure of all donations, and I agree with that principle. Still, I believe our politicians shouldn't be for sale in the first place. I don't think open disclosure will completely eliminate the enormous fund-raising advantage that incumbents have.
Neither group is bad. Evangelicals proclaim salvation through Christ. Fundamentalists believe in the teachings of the Bible which also proclaims salvation through Christ.Tonio said:
There are some off the wall groups that call themselves Christians but their practices are not Biblical. These are the groups that get the press.
Tonio
Asperger's Poster Child
I wasn't saying either one is bad. I just disagree more with the fundamentalists.2ndAmendment said:
What is bad is when any group, no matter what its politicial or religious stance, says its viewpoint is the only right viewpoint and that anyone who disagrees is either stupid or evil, or both. That's one definition of extremism, in my opinion. The Michael Moores and the Ann Coulters of the world both have this "my way or the highway" attitude.
Spoiled
Active Member
I have to agree that Guiliani would be a good person for the presidential office, however I dont think he could gain the support of the religious right. If he was in the most recent election he would have had my vote. If he does run in 2008 he would probably get my vote depending on who else is running.
Larry Gude
Strung Out
The GOP has two...
...national Superstars:
Rudy and Colin. Three if you count Arnold. I say 'superstars' in that they have appeal across the spectrum. Hillary does not. Bill did.
So, the Democratic party has none.
The question, as has been stated in one form or another, is whether or not either one could make it out of the primaries. Case in point is Joe Lieberman.
He was, by far, the Democratic partys best national candidate, aka 'The man with the least warts' and he was rejected, out of hand, for yet another liberal from New England.
Because he, Joe, is strong on the war, the deciding issue, he would have likely beaten Bush.
Rudy would win New York, Pennsylvania and California and maybe lose a few of the closer Southern states like Arkansas. But he wouldn't lose Texas so an electoral and popular landslide of epoch proportions would be in store.
Powell could be even stronger.
All the other big name GOP potentials, Frist, McCain, Vrai, do not have the ability to defuse the huge Democratic majorities in the big cities which means their candidacies will be of a type with the last two.
...national Superstars:
Rudy and Colin. Three if you count Arnold. I say 'superstars' in that they have appeal across the spectrum. Hillary does not. Bill did.
So, the Democratic party has none.
The question, as has been stated in one form or another, is whether or not either one could make it out of the primaries. Case in point is Joe Lieberman.
He was, by far, the Democratic partys best national candidate, aka 'The man with the least warts' and he was rejected, out of hand, for yet another liberal from New England.
Because he, Joe, is strong on the war, the deciding issue, he would have likely beaten Bush.
Rudy would win New York, Pennsylvania and California and maybe lose a few of the closer Southern states like Arkansas. But he wouldn't lose Texas so an electoral and popular landslide of epoch proportions would be in store.
Powell could be even stronger.
All the other big name GOP potentials, Frist, McCain, Vrai, do not have the ability to defuse the huge Democratic majorities in the big cities which means their candidacies will be of a type with the last two.
Because he's yucky looking and has that whiny voice. I want a decent looking guy who can speak with authority for President. I'm shallow that way.Larry Gude said:
Plus, the way the Democrats have been acting lately, they're not interested in a moderate or anyone even remotely conservative. They want the most liberal, vitriolic rhetoric spewer they can get their hands on. That's not Lieberman.