2012: End of World, or New World Order?

Starman3000m

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There are many speculations about the year 2012 in a variety of cultures. Perhaps one of the best known is the account where the Mayan Calendar shows 2012 as an end-date and many have predicted that it is some kind of prophecy about the end of the world.

Here are some thoughts to the contrary:

The predictions about the year 2012 do not specifically indicate that it is the "end of the world" but more than likely a significant global event that this world will undergo that marks a dramatic change in chronological time as we know it.

We have also heard high-profile politicians speak of a coming "New World Order" that would eventually dissolve nation/state sovereignty and establish global citizenry for all people.

There are also Bible prophecies of a coming period ruled by "antichrist" and a false prophet who will establish a system of a One World Government/One World Religion. Whether by "coincidence" or prophecy, it is anticipated that when antichrist takes control of the world system he will change the time period of the world. Perhaps that is where the Gregorian based calendar date of 2012 will end and a new calendar begins to signify the New World System.

Here are some thoughts: If a New World Order (One World Government/One World Religion) is to take place, it is likely that an Antichrist System would want to mark the "Beginning" of its point in history with a new calendar rather than continue to be referenced to the Gregorian Calendar that is dated on the basis of Christ's Birth.

The good news is: The world may not end on 2012;

The bad news...

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Lem Putt
Failed prophecies:
About 30 CE: The Christian Scriptures (New Testament), when interpreted literally, appear to record many predictions by Jeshua of Nazareth (Jesus Christ) that God's Kingdom would arrive within a very short period, or was actually in the process of arriving. For example, Jesus is recorded as saying in Matthew 16:28: "...there shall be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom." In Matthew 24:34, Yeshua is recorded as saying: "...This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled." Since the life expectancy in those days was little over 30 years, Jesus appears to have predicted his second coming sometime during the 1st century CE. It didn't happen. More details.
About 60 CE: Interpreting the Epistles of Paul of Tarsus literally, his writings seem to imply that Jesus would return and usher in a rapture during the lifetime of persons who were living in the middle of the 1st century. More details.
About 90 CE: Saint Clement 1 predicted that the world end would occur at any moment.
2nd Century CE: Prophets and Prophetesses of the Montanist movement predicted that Jesus would return sometime during their lifetime and establish the New Jerusalem in the city of Pepuza in Asia Minor.
365 CE: A man by the name of Hilary of Poitiers, announced that the end would happen that year. It didn't.
375 to 400 CE: Saint Martin of Tours, a student of Hilary, was convinced that the end would happen sometime before 400 CE.
500 CE: This was the first year-with-a-nice-round-number-panic. The antipope Hippolytus and an earlier Christian academic Sextus Julius Africanus had predicted Armageddon at about this year.
968 CE: An eclipse was interpreted as a prelude to the end of the world by the army of the German emperor Otto III.
992: Good Friday coincided with the Feast of the Annunciation; this had long been believed to be the event that would bring forth the Antichrist, and thus the end-times events foretold in the book of Revelation. Records from Germany report that a new sun rose in the north and that as many as 3 suns and 3 moons were fighting. There does not appear to be independent verification of this remarkable event.
1000-JAN-1: Many Christians in Europe had predicted the end of the world on this date. As the date approached, Christian armies waged war against some of the Pagan countries in Northern Europe. The motivation was to convert them all to Christianity, by force if necessary, before Christ returned in the year 1000. Meanwhile, some Christians had given their possessions to the Church in anticipation of the end. Fortunately, the level of education was so low that many citizens were unaware of the year. They did not know enough to be afraid. Otherwise, the panic might have been far worse than it was. Unfortunately, when Jesus did not appear, the church did not return the gifts. Serious criticism of the Church followed. The Church reacted by exterminating some heretics. Agitation settled down quickly.
1000-MAY: The body of Charlemagne was disinterred on Pentecost. A legend had arisen that an emperor would rise from his sleep to fight the Antichrist.
1005-1006: A terrible famine throughout Europe was seen as a sign of the nearness of the end.
1033: Some believed this to be the 1000th anniversary of the death and resurrection of Jesus. His second coming was anticipated. Jesus' actual date of execution is unknown, but is believed to be in the range of 27 to 33 CE.
1147: Gerard of Poehlde decided that the millennium had actually started in 306 CE during Constantine's reign. Thus, the world end was expected in 1306 CE.
1179: John of Toledo predicted the end of the world during 1186. This estimate was based on the alignment of many planets.
1205: Joachim of Fiore predicted in 1190 that the Antichrist was already in the world, and that King Richard of England would defeat him. The Millennium would then begin, sometime before 1205.
1284: Pope Innocent III computed this date by adding 666 years onto the date the Islam was founded.
1346 and later: The black plague spread across Europe, killing one third of the population. This was seen as the prelude to an immediate end of the world. Unfortunately, the Christians had previously killed a many of the cats, fearing that they might be familiars of Witches. The fewer the cats, the more the rats. It was the rat fleas that spread the black plague.
1496: This was approximately 1500 years after the birth of Jesus. Some mystics in the 15th century predicted that the millennium would begin during this year.
1524: Many astrologers predicted the imminent end of the world due to a world wide flood. They obviously had not read the Genesis story of the rainbow.
1533: Melchior Hoffman predicted that Jesus' return would happen a millennium and a half after the nominal date of his execution, in 1533. The New Jerusalem was expected to be established in Strasbourg, Germany. He was arrested and died in a Strasbourg jail.
1669: The Old Believers in Russia believed that the end of the world would occur in this year. 20 thousand burned themselves to death between 1669 and 1690 to protect themselves from the Antichrist.
1689: Benjamin Keach, a 17th century Baptist, predicted the end of the world for this year.
1736: British theologian and mathematician William Whitson predicted a great flood similar to Noah's for OCT-13 of this year.
1792: This was the date of the end of the world calculated by some believers in the Shaker movement.
1794: Charles Wesley, one of the founders of Methodism, thought Doomsday would be in this year.
1830: Margaret McDonald, a Christian prophetess, predicted that Robert Owen would be the Antichrist. Owen helped found New Harmony, IN.
1832?: Joseph Smith (1805-1844) was the founder of the Church of Christ, which became the Restorationist movement after many schisms. It now includes The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints -- a.k.a. the Mormons, and about a hundred other denominations and sects. He heard a voice while praying. He wrote, in Doctrines and Covenants section 130:

14: "I was once praying very earnestly to know the time of the coming of the Son of Man, when I heard a voice repeat the following:"

15: "Joseph, my son, if thou livest until thou art eighty-five years old, thou shalt see the face of the Son of Man; therefore let this suffice, and trouble me no more on this matter."

16: "I was left thus, without being able to decide whether this coming referred to the beginning of the millennium or to some previous appearing, or whether I should die and thus see his face."

17: "I believe the coming of the Son of Man will not be any sooner than that time." 14
The year in which this event occurred is not recorded. However, one commentator suggested 1832 or earlier. 16 Smith is later recorded as having said:
"I prophesy in the name of the Lord God, and let it be written--the Son of Man will not come in the clouds of heaven till I am eighty-five years old." 17

Smith would have reached the age of 85 during 1890. Unfortunately, by that year, Smith had been dead for almost a half century, having been assassinated by a mob. Note that his prophecy is ambiguous. It can be interpreted that:

Jesus would return during 1890 (which did not materialize) or that
1890 would pass without Jesus' return (which did come to pass).

Some anti-Mormon sources quote only verses 14 and 15, and draw the former conclusion -- that Smith's prophecy failed.
 

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Lem Putt
Failed prophecies - 1990 to 1997:
About 1990: Peter Ruckman concluded from his analysis of the Bible that the rapture would come within a few years of 1990.
Early 1990's: In 1992, David Koresh led the Students of the Seven Seals (a.k.a. Branch Davidian) group in Waco Texas. He changed the name of their commune from Mt. Carmel to Ranch Apocalypse, because of his belief that the final all-encompassing battle of Armageddon mentioned in the Bible would start at the Branch Davidian compound. They had calculated that the end would occur in 1995. After a 51-day standoff, on 1993-APR-10, 76 members died as a result of a fire deliberately set by the Branch Davidians.
1990-APR-23: Elizabeth Clare Prophet, leader of the Church Universal and Triumphant made a series of statements that many members believed indicated the start of nuclear war on this date. At least 2,000 followers traveled to Montana to take refuge in CUT's fallout shelters.
1991: Mother Shipton, a 16th century mystic predicted the end of the world: "...The world to an end shall come; in nineteen hundred and ninety-one."
1991: C.M. Edwards reported that he regularly receives messages from God. One series in mid-1991 predicted a heavy judgment for the U.S. 1991-SEP would bring extreme devastation to the mid-west. One message stated, in part: "Before the close of this year you shall see My signs-true signs of My coming." 1 Interestingly, although the messages allegedly come from God, Edwards retains the copyright.
1992-OCT-28: Lee Jang Rim, a Korean Christian pastor, taught that the Rapture would occur on this date, at 10:00 AM EST. It didn't happen; many of his followers allegedly committed suicide.
1993: Benny Hinn, an Assemblies of God pastor from Florida predicted that the rapture would come in 1993. He also said that God would destroy all homosexuals by 1995 at the latest.
A millennial new religious movement in the Ukraine predicted the end of the world would happen in 1993-NOV. 7
 

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Lem Putt
1993-NOV-11: The 1993-JUL-20 issue of the Weekly World News contained an article titled "Doomsday Asteroids." Top scientists allegedly wrote a top-secret document which revealed that M-167, a known asteroid, would hit the earth on NOV-11 and perhaps end all life on earth. The M series of astronomical objects were catalogued by Messier: M-1 is the crab nebula; M-31 is the Andromeda galaxy; M-45 are the Pleiades. There is no M object with a number higher than M-110.
1993 to 1997: Rulon Jeffs was spokesperson for the The Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, a Mormon polygamist splinter group. In 1993, he allegedly told high school graduates to not attend college. The reasoning was that the world would end before they could finish. The splinter group was founded in 1929 and was excommunicated from the Salt Lake City-based Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints because of their promotion of polygyny. 26
1994, approximately: There have been continual reports that Jesus and Mary have been appearing in Conyers, GA on the 13th of every month to deliver a message to Nancy Fowler, a homemaker and nurse. Over 1 million pilgrims have visited her prayer site. On 1994-FEB-6, Jesus is recorded as saying: "Conflicts will turn into wars....Then so will the earth tremble in many places. The earth will divide. The earth will divide and take away your riches. Some of you will die suddenly. You will have no warning...The clock continues to tick. The hour is rapidly approaching when one disaster after another will befall you. There will be fighting everywhere. There will be famine and polluted water in many places." Unfortunately, no specific dates were given for these occurrences. 2
1994: A major, though unofficial, Jehovah's Witness prediction date.
1994-SEP: Harold Camping, president of Family Radio predicted on his radio programs that the end of the world would happen sometime between 1994-SEP-5 and SEP-27. He said that he did not know the precise day because Matthew 24:36 of the Christian Scriptures says that "no man knows the day nor the hour." He interpreted a reference in John 21:1-14 to the disciples being 200 cubits from the shore in the Sea of Galilee as meaning that there would be 2,000 years between the birth and the second coming of Jesus. He estimates that Jesus was born on 0007-OCT-4 BCE. 8
Sometime in 1996: The book "The Return of Jupiter: End of the world in the light of the Bible" Dorrance Publishing, Pittsburgh PA predicted a disaster starting in the Pacific Ocean: "A terrible earthquake is going to break the oceanic earth crust under the Pacific Ocean by the year 1996 AD"
1996-OCT-23: Since 1658, many Christians have accepted the calculations of James Ussher, an Irish archbishop, who estimated that the first day of creation occurred on 4004-OCT-23 BCE. This would make the time interval between the creation of the world and a common estimate of the birth of Christ to be precisely 4000 years. Some people believe that Ussher fudged the data to make it come out neatly. He also estimated that the end of the world would occur exactly 6000 years later, in the fall of 1996. This is based on the concept of the "millennial week": that each of the 6 days of creation mentioned in Genesis is linked to a 1000 year time span in the life of the earth. On the 7th millennial day, 1996-OCT-23, Ussher expected that life as we know it will cease.
1997-MAR-8: The Vortex of the Star of David religious sect of Luskville, Quebec, Canada was quoted as predicting the end of the world on Saturday, MAR-8. 3 A father, Jean Leon Marcoux, was interviewed; he was worried because his children will be visiting their mother at the sect's commune on that weekend. He approached the Quebec police but was unable to get them to take any action. A spokesperson for the sect stated that they do not follow a doomsday scenario.
1997-APR-10: Dan Millar, of Surrey, BC, Canada and Bob Wadsworth of the Biblical Astronomy newsletter are both religious researchers. They followed the age-old tradition of looking for signs in the heavens for the arrival of the Antichrist, second coming of Christ, etc. Ancient prophecies told of heavenly events and even a cross in the sky in advance of momentous developments. Millar and Wadsworth predicted the arrival of the Antichrist on APR-10. Dan suggested that we watch news from the Vatican and from Jerusalem on that day, because he expected some sort of coup by the Antichrist. He was expected to come to power in the Vatican as Pope Peter II.
One heavenly indicator was the intersection by two comets of the star Algol in the constellation Perseus. Comets Hyakutake and Hale-Bopp intersected the star on the same date (APR-11) on two adjacent years (Hyakutake in 1996 and Hale-Bopp in 1997). Plotting the two comets' trajectories over the period APR-1 to APR-30 on the two years forms an almost perfect cross. They intersected between the eyes of the Medusa head that Perseus is holding in his left hand. "Algol" means "Demon Star" in Arabic. The head is known as Rosh Satan (the head of Satan) in Hebrew. There was one further heavenly sign: on the evening of APR-10, there will be a lunar occultation of the star Aldebaran in the constellation Taurus.

1997-OCT-20: A Jewish group, called the Temple Mount and Land of Israel Faithful Movement were expected to attempt to place the cornerstone of a new temple on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem. This is a small piece of real estate that is the most sacred spot in the world to Jews, and one of the most sacred to Muslims. The Rapture Ready home page has predicted that the "Tribulation" would be triggered by that event. Previous attempts had failed either because of riots, or police action. There was one report that they were going to try to airlift the stone by helicopter this time. On OCT-20, several thousand police officers were deployed throughout Jerusalem; they successfully prevented access to the Temple Mount.
1997-NOV-27: The Sacerdotal Knights of National Security report that "A space alien captured at a UFO landing site in eastern Missouri cracked under interrogation by the CIA and admitted that an extraterrestrial army will attack Earth on November 27 with the express purpose of stripping our planet of every natural resource they can find a use for -- and making slaves of every man, woman and child in the world!"
1997: Superdave the Wonderchemist took the magic number 1331 and added it to 666 the "Number of the Beast" from the Book of Revelation to get the year of the arrival of the Antichrist and the end of the world. 4 Why is 1331 a magic number? 1331 is the same backwards as forwards.
It is 11 raised to the 3rd power
It displays the unlucky number 13 when read in either direction.
it is the fourth row in Pascal's Triangle:


1
1 1
1 2 1
1 3 3 1
1 4 6 4 1 etc.
1997-DEC-31: The 1997-JUL-29 issue of the Weekly World News reported that the biggest end of the world scare since the Cuban missile crisis was circulating through Washington. President Clinton called a secret meeting with leading Bible scholars for the week of JUL-27. A confidential Pentagon memo sparked the scare; it predicted a worldwide cataclysm of unprecedented proportions. Earthquake activity was allegedly on a rise and will peak at year-end; the earth's crust was believed to have been shifting ominously.
Sometime in late 1997 or early 1998: The 1997-JUL-29 issue of the Weekly World News carried a statement by a spokesperson of the International Association of Psychics. 92% of their 120,000 members have had the same "end time" vision. Spokesperson Madame Vredeau predicted: A rise in religious belief. Prophets and saints will appear and lead the faithful to safety
The oceans will shrink. Deserts expand. Crops will fail; there will be massive starvation
Widespread emotional and mental collapse; increase in crime and violence
Changing weather patterns; basic laws of nature will be disrupted
Satanic demons will appear in broad daylight. War, pestilence, a worldwide plague will spread.
Humanity will disappear around the year 2001 CE.

If almost all psychics believed that, then one can conclude that their predictions are generally quite unreliable.




References:
C.M. Edwards, "Heavy judgment coming to the U.S.A.," at: Yahoo! GeoCities: Get a free web site with easy-to-use site building tools
Appearances of Jesus and Mary in Conyers, GA, are described at: Conyers - A Place of Pilgrimage, with Peace, Healing and Conversion
Global TV network newscast, 1997-MAR-4
"Superdave the Wonderchemist's" estimate is at: School of Mathematics
S.J. Gould, "Questioning the Millennium: A Rationalist's Guide to a Precisely Arbitrary Countdown.", Harmony Books, (1997) You can read a review and perhaps buy this book from amazon.com online bookstore
"Harold Camping," at: Institute for Biblical and Scientific Studies
Peter Levenda, "Unholy Alliance: A history of Nazi involvement with the occult," Continuum, (2003), Page 284.
Edmund D. Cohen, "Harold Camping and the Stillborn Apocalypse." Free Inquiry 15 (Winter 1995)Pages 35-40. Back copies of Free Inquiry can be ordered at: Council for Secular Humanism


ReligiousTolerance.org
 

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Lem Putt
Failed predictions:
Sometime in late 1997 or early 1998: The 1997-JUL-29 issue of the Weekly World News carried a statement by a spokesperson of the International Association of Psychics. 92% of their 120,000 members have had the same "end time" vision. Spokesperson Madame Vredeau predicted: A rise in religious belief. Prophets and saints will appear and lead the faithful to safety
The oceans will shrink. Deserts expand. Crops will fail; there will be massive starvation
Widespread emotional and mental collapse; increase in crime and violence
Changing weather patterns; basic laws of nature will be disrupted
Satanic demons will appear in broad daylight. War, pestilence, a worldwide plague will spread.
Humanity will disappear around the year 2001 CE.

Sometime in 1988 or 1999: Vijay Kumar predicted that World War III would erupt with a full scale nuclear attack by Muslim countries on the U.S. its supporters. Iraq would lead the Muslim world. Eight nuclear bombs were to have been exploded in eight cities of USA within one day. 6
1988: In 1995, Noah Hutchings, president of the Southwest Radio Church and spokesperson for the Watchman on the Wall radio program authored a book with David Webber called: "New Light on the Great Pyramid." They predicted that the Tribulation was to begin sometime in 1988.
1998-FEB-26: Edgar Cayce predicted that the earth would have a new pole during the winter of 1997-1998. Since the earth spins like a gyroscope, this would take an enormous amount of energy to achieve. That amount of energy would cause a massive disruption to the oceans and the earth's crust. That could, in turn, cause very serious, worldwide tidal waves, earthquakes and volcanic eruptions. He also predicted "...massive earth changes—perhaps in conjunction with a pole shift—in the 1930s, 1960s, or 1990s." 7
1998-MAR-31: About 150 followers of a Taiwanese Christian-Buddhist spiritual sect, God's Salvation Church, moved into Garland TX (a suburb in northern Dallas) to await God's arrival. They expected that on MAR-25, God would broadcast a commercial on Channel 18 in Garland. He would then be reincarnated into a man on MAR-31 at 10:00 AM, local time. They anticipated a crowd of about one million who want to be touched by God. Their leader, Hoh-Ming Chen, selected Garland because it sounds like "God land". News reports from Taiwan indicated that the group plans to commit mass suicide if God does not appear. These appear to be unfounded.
1998-MAY-31: Evengelist Marilyn Agee predicted that the rapture would happen on this day, Pentecost. This, she believes, would trigger the various events listed in the book of Revelation, including the war of Armageddon.
1998-JUL-5 The Church of the Subgenius predicts that on "X Day", the end of the world will occur. At 7 AM, "the Men from Planet X, or XISTS, will arrive on Earth, close a deal with "Bob," rupture the card-carrying Ordained SubGenii up to the Escape Vessels of the Sex Goddesses, and destroy the remaining population of Earth, VERY VERY SLOWLY." Bob is J.R. Dobbs, leader and High Epopt of the Church of the SubGenius, Living Avatar of Slack, the Saint of Sales. He was responsible for founding the Church on a shifting, sandy beach of hypocrisy." Since X day did not materialize, they say: "we're still here -- a little shaken, perhaps, and re-evaluating the interpretation of PreScripture..." Further study indicated that we have been given a reprieve. The artifact on which the date was written was accidentally inverted; the end of the world will really happen in 8661 CE!
1998-SEP: Two Christian pilgrims from an American Fundamentalist group were detained in Israel's Ben Gurion airport. They had allegedly planned to attack the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, which is the site of Islam's third holiest shrine. Their goal appears to have been to precipitate a massive religious conflict which would escalate into Armageddon. Their group advocates the construction of the Third Temple on the location now occupied by the Al Aqsa mosque. Their goal appears to have been not Biblically based. Verses in the book of Revelation imply that Jesus' return will only occur after ritual animal killing is reinstated at this location.
1998-OCT-10 Concerned Christians is a destructive, doomsday cult of 30 to 60 adults and children, led by Monte Kim Miller. Miller was an anti-cult activist in the 1980's. He predicted that an unspecified disaster would wipe Denver CO off the map on OCT-10. He predicted his own death in 1999-DEC and his resurrection three days later. The Denver apocalypse didn't happen. They left Denver near the end of September and relocated to Jerusalem. Many Christians believe that when Jesus returns, he will descend from the sky and make landfall on the Mount of Olives, near Jerusalem. 1 Israeli police arrested members of the group and deported them. The Israelis seem to be motivated by fear that the group may commit mass suicide.
1998-OCT: The House of Yahweh, Abilene™ predicted that an end-of-world scenario will start during 1998-OCT. By mid-2001, they predict that 80% of the world's population will have been killed as a result of nuclear warfare.
1998-NOV: Natalia de Lemeny - Makedonova has written a book titled "Eternal Laws - New Mankind - Spiritual Transformation" She predicts that the:

"Son of Creator - Immanuel - the ruler of the millennial empire, announced in the Bible, will be born in Slovakia in November...His birth will be accompanied by a star which will shine in the sky and will be visible in the whole world. This event will also be announced by other unearthly phenomena in the sky." A purification of the earth will begin at his birth; it may be either "catastrophic or symbolic." 2

1998-DEC-12: A survivalist from Arkansas spammed a warning to some mailing lists. He predicted that in the early morning hours, a massive nuclear war will begin in the U.S. Food will be wiped out; water will be contaminated; 75 million will die immediately; even more will die later. He recommends to "Get strong in your spiritual life, get out of large cities and away from military sites and military storage facilities and get prepared to survive."
Sometime in 1998: Centro is a very active religious organization, largely centered in the Philippines. They predict that the world will come to an end in 1998. They recommend that their followers retreat to safe places.
The famous psychic Edgar Cayce predicted that a secret, underground chamber would be discovered between the paws of the Great Sphinx. Inside, there will be documents revealing the history of Atlantis. This revelation will trigger the Second Coming of Christ. This prediction is rather interesting, because two recent independent studies have revealed that there is in fact an underground structure just where Cayce said it would be.
Fr. Sefano Gobbi, a Roman Catholic visionary, predicted on 1989-JUN-17 that the end of the world, the final judgment and the dawning of the Marian Reign of Peace would unfold in 1998.
Gary D. Blevins predicted in his 1990 book "666: The Final Warning" that Ronald Reagan will be cast into the Lake of Fire, the rapture will occur, Jesus will return to earth and Satan will be bound in a pit for 1000 years -- all in 1998.
The site "Nostradamus: Prophecies of our century" has a prediction based on the biblical book of Daniel. Russia and Muslims were to attack NATO and the rest of Europe in 1998 CE. Daniel said that the Divine Chastisement would come after the church had been rebuilt for 62 weeks, which he converts into 434 years. Assuming that the rebuilding started at the Council of Trent, then the Great Chastisement (a.k.a. World War III) would start in 1998 CE. 3 Surprisingly, this prophecy still remains posted on the web site, in 2000-MAY.
The same Nostradamus site mentions that "The number 666 symbolizes the great evils: 666 x 1=666, the Islamic emergence and subsequent Christian persecution; 666 x 2 = 1332 AD, the Black Plague and corrupted Medieval Period; 666 x 3 = 1998 AD, the evil 20th Century and World Wars." 3





References:
Christopher Walker, "Doomsday cults are converging on Jerusalem," The Times of London, 1998-OCT-22.
"White Dove - Prophecy about the End of the World," at: Imanuel Krá¾ Tisícroènej ríše sa narodil - www.biela-holubica.sk
"Nostradamus: Prophecies of our century" is at: Tusco Net
S.J. Gould, "Questioning the Millennium: A Rationalist's Guide to a Precisely Arbitrary Countdown.", Harmony Books, (1997) You can read a review and perhaps buy this book from amazon.com online bookstore.
Chris Nelson, "A brief history of the apocalypse," at: A Brief History of the Apocalypse This web site contains over 200 references to end-of-the-world predictions which have not come true.
Vijay Kumar, "Shape of the World to come (1994 - 2006)," at: Self Realization Glossary of words in hinduism spirituality
"Edgar Cayce," Wikipedia, at: Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

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Lem Putt
2008: Failed predictions in 2008:
2008-MAR-21: After a lengthy calculation based on the Bible, a British group, The Lord's Witnesses, has concluded that the start of Armageddon will happen on this day. Three quarters of the world's population will die during the subsequent war. This will be preceded by the United Nations taking over complete control of the world in the lunar month preceding 2001-APR-24. This is exactly 666 Hebrew months after the founding of the United Nations in 1945. 5

2008-APR-6: Philip B. Brown incorrectly predicted that the Great Tribulation would start on 2001-APR-7, with the appearance of the the two witnesses described in Revelation. He also predicted that the start of Jesus' millennial reign would be on 2008-APR-6. 6 Neither happened.

2008-APR-17: Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry (CARM) received the following unsolicited Email:
"Hello. I would like to E-mail you on behalf of one of the end time prophets of the God of Abraham....Traditional Christianity has really lost its way...the Catholic church is the beast power in Revelation and yet Christianity follows its teachings. That is exactly why only 144,000 will be resurrected on Christ's return, to be a part of the the new government that is coming to earth in 2011."

"Everyone else who dies will be resurrected at the end of the first 1,000 years of Christ's rule in a physical body to learn the truths of God. God has not been trying to save anyone. If he has been, he is doing a lousy job. My words are true and you will see for yourself very soon, starting, 2008-APR-17th the 7th seal of revelation will be taking effect. The first 4 trumpets will bring a total collapse to the United states and her closest allies within a 6 month period. This is the great tribulation that will last for 3.5 years beginning on 2008-APR-17. it will begin in the United States and by 2011 only 10 million of the population will be left of the USA. For your own good, the correct day for worship of the eternal is on the Saturday. Sunday was the original worship of the sun god Mithra and also the day of worship for the pagan god Baal. You need to repent. This is all true and once again, it is not from me but from the end time prophet of the God of Abraham. I want you to keep my E-mail address and when these disastrous events begin to take place, you may believe me and contact me again. Good luck and I hope you live in to the new age that is just ahead." (Capitalization, punctuation, spelling corrected and date format changed)

2008-MAY: Pyotr Kuznetsov is the leader of a Russian doomsday sect called the True Orthodox Church. They reject processed food and regard bar codes as Satanic symbols. He predicted that the world would end in 2008-MAY. During 2007-NOV, thirty-five of his followers barricaded themselves in a cave near the village of Kikolskoye, 435 miles (725 km) southeast of Moscow. They threatened to blow up gas cylinders if officials tried to force them to leave. Twenty-four left when spring floods caused part of the cave to collapse; only a few adults remained. Meanwhile, Kuznetsov is believed to have become depressed at the failure of his prophecies and has tried to commit suicide by hitting himself on the head with a log. 7

2008-OCT-31: Michael Travesser's group of 45 adult followers survived his failed 2007 prediction. It is fairly common among such groups to experience an increase in group cohesion after a failed prophecy, as they search for a new prediction to believe in. Travesser and some of his followers started one-week fast during which they ate no food, followed by another one-week fast when they consuming neither food nor water. This was to protest the criminal charges against their leader based on allegations of his sexual conduct involving underage girls -- a charge he denies. Their plan was to continue this until they receive their "deliverance promised by heaven" at the end of their "Year of Jubilee."

They collected on Friday midnight, expecting a deliverance from God from their earthly life. It never came. They then broke their fast. Travesser accused the local District Attorney of harassment and is considering lawsuits against the State of New Mexico for civil rights violations. He was arrested and taken to the hospital in Clayton, NM. He wrote:
"Today is the last day of the year of Jubilee. The Jubilee is the year God's people are delivered from this earth. The Scriptures also call it "The Last Trump." This final message brings judgement, [sic] and announces the deliverance, the change, and the end of all things. We have been in the year of judgment since Ben Anthony filmed our celebration one year ago today, later mocking it in his documentary film. I am writing, perhaps for the last time on this page, to wrap up a few details of the last few days." 8.9,10
 

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Lem Putt
Consider this before promoting "end of the world" prophesies:

If you spread it, and it comes true, you are indeed a prophet and would be blessed.

But......

If you spread it and it does not come true, then you are a false prophet. Doesn't the Bible say something about false prophets? If you are indeed a believer, are you confident enough in your prophesy to risk damnation?
 
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luckystar

Guest
You're a jerk. I have a good Muslim friend, and he is a peaceful and loving person. He found God, and has turned his life around, and is a much better person for it. You can stuff this bull up your ass.
 

PsyOps

Pixelated
What a coicidence. It happens to be the same year that BO will run for his reelection. He will have all of his plans fully in place by then.

:rolleyes:
 

Starman3000m

New Member
Consider this before promoting "end of the world" prophesies:

If you spread it, and it comes true, you are indeed a prophet and would be blessed.

But......

If you spread it and it does not come true, then you are a false prophet. Doesn't the Bible say something about false prophets? If you are indeed a believer, are you confident enough in your prophesy to risk damnation?

LOL Chill MMDad! :buddies:

This was brought up for discussion about the year 2012 that many anticipate is "the end of the world". Of course, No one knows the time or the hour but this we do know according to New Testament Prophecy is that Jesus does not return for His Second Advent until the antichrist has had a short term period of rule on this earth.

There are many in Judaism and Christendom that are praying for the soon return of Moshiach ben David / Messiah Jesus, respectively - but prophecy indicates that Messiah does not return until antichrist first appears.

Biblical Prophecy (not mine) indicates that things will get worse before they get better and there is to be a One World Government/One World Religion.
 

mAlice

professional daydreamer
Biblical Prophecy (not mine) indicates that things will get worse before they get better and there is to be a One World Government/One World Religion.


If the democrats have any say in it, we should see it in our lifetime.
 

Starman3000m

New Member
You're a jerk. I have a good Muslim friend, and he is a peaceful and loving person. He found God, and has turned his life around, and is a much better person for it. You can stuff this bull up your ass.

Thanks for your comment. I have no doubt that your friend is a peaceful and loving person and that he has turned his life around. There are many westernized Muslims who are sincere, loving and peaceful but also are not completely aware of the fundamental teachings of Muhammad. In fact most Americans are not aware of the fundamental teachings in the Qur'an and only accept what Islamic public-relations groups say.

Did you know that if your Muslim friend ever decides to leave the Islamic religion the Islamic penalty for apostasy is death, according to Muhammad?

Did you know that Muslims are not to befriend Jews nor Christians?

Research
 
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luckystar

Guest
Thanks for your comment. I have no doubt that your friend is a peaceful and loving person and that he has turned his life around. There are many westernized Muslims who are sincere, loving and peaceful but also are not completely aware of the fundamental teachings of Muhammad. In fact most Americans are not aware of the fundamental teachings in the Qur'an and only accept what Islamic public-relations groups say.

Did you know that if your Muslim friend ever decides to leave the Islamic religion the Islamic penalty for apostasy is death, according to Muhammad?

Did you know that Muslims are not to befriend Jews nor Christians?

Research

Have you read the Koran cover to cover? He has, and has quoted it for me in discussion. I'd believe his interpretations before some random website with your screen name, no citations, or a suggested place [edit: aside from inside the site itself] to read excerpts from the holy text.
 
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Starman3000m

New Member
Have you read the Koran cover to cover? He has, and has quoted it for me in discussion. I'd believe his interpretations before some random website with your screen name, no citations, or a suggested place [edit: aside from inside the site itself] to read excerpts from the holy text.

Yes, luckystar, I have indeed read Three (3) Versions of the Qur'an, cover to cover: Pickthall, Yusuf Ali and Shakir as well as the Ahadith (collection of sayings of the Islamic prophet, Muhammad) that include Sahih Bukhari; Sahih Muslim, Sunan Abu Dawud, and Malik's Muwatta.

Possibly you only skimmed a quick glance at the website Research and happened to overlook the numerous references included directly from the Qur'an, Ahadith and Sunnah. On the last page, there is a directory listing of where you can read the translations on line for your self and compare them to the Internet references in my treatise.

As stated before, I am sure that your Muslim friend is loving, peaceful and compassionate. Please have him show you his Qur'an and compare the sayings to the following examples:

“Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority: their abode will be the Fire: And evil is the home of the wrong-doers!” (Qur’an:003.151)

“And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah altogether and everywhere; but if they cease, verily Allah doth see all that they do.” (Qur’an:008.039)

“The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;”
(Qur’an:005.033)

“Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them." (Qur’an:008.012)


“O Prophet! rouse the Believers to the fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, they will vanquish a thousand of the Unbelievers: for these are a people without understanding.” (Qur’an:008.065)

“Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens. Thus (are ye commanded): but if it had been Allah's Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the Way of Allah,- He will never let their deeds be lost.”
(Qur’an:047.004)

Take No Prisoners:

“It is not fitting for a prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he hath thoroughly subdued the land. Ye look for the temporal goods of this world; but Allah looketh to the Hereafter: And Allah is Exalted in might, Wise.” (Qur’an:008.067)

“Say to the desert Arabs who lagged behind: "Ye shall be summoned (to fight) against a people given to vehement war: then shall ye fight, or they shall submit. Then if ye show obedience, Allah will grant you a goodly reward, but if ye turn back as ye did before, He will punish you with a grievous Penalty." (Qur’an:048.016)

Muslims threatened with punishment by Allah if they do not fight:

“Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place; but Him ye would not harm in the least. For Allah hath power over all things.”
(Qur’an:009.039)


“O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter.”
(Qur’an:009.038)


“Go ye forth, (whether equipped) lightly or heavily, and strive and struggle, with your goods and your persons, in the cause of Allah. That is best for you, if ye (but) knew.”
(Qur’an:009.041)

“Say to the Unbelievers, if (now) they desist (from Unbelief), their past would be forgiven them; but if they persist, the punishment of those before them is already (a matter of warning for them).” (Qur’an:008.038)


“But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.” (Qur’an:009.005)

Muslims not to be friendly with Unbelievers (Non-Muslims) :

“O ye who believe! Turn not (for friendship) to people on whom is the Wrath of Allah, of the Hereafter they are already in despair, just as the Unbelievers are in despair about those (buried) in graves.” (Qur’an:060.013)

“O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell,- an evil refuge indeed.” (Qur’an:009.073 )

“And those of the People of the Book who aided them - Allah did take them down from their strongholds and cast terror into their hearts. (So that) some ye slew, and some ye made prisoners.” (Qur’an:033.026 )

“And He made you heirs of their lands, their houses, and their goods, and of a land which ye had not frequented (before). And Allah has power over all things.” (Qur’an:033.027)

And, of course: THE REWARDS for being Faithful to Al'lah:

"For them will be Gardens of Eternity; beneath them rivers will flow; they will be adorned therein with bracelets of gold, and they will wear green garments of fine silk and heavy brocade: They will recline therein on raised thrones. How good the recompense! How beautiful a couch to recline on!"
(Qur'an: 018.031)


"The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) said: ' If anyone suppresses anger when he is in a position to give vent to it, Allah, the Exalted, will call him on the Day of Resurrection over the heads of all creatures, and ask him to choose any of the bright and large eyed maidens he wishes.'"
(Sunan Abu-Dawud Book 41, Number 4759)

"Verily for the Righteous there will be a fulfillment of (the heart's) desires;
Gardens enclosed, and grapevines; And voluptuous women of equal age;"
(Qur'an: 078.031 - 078.033)


"But the sincere (and devoted) Servants of Allah, For them is a Sustenance determined, Fruits (Delights); and they (shall enjoy) honour and dignity, In Gardens of Felicity, Facing each other on Thrones (of Dignity):, Round will be passed to them a Cup from a clear-flowing fountain, Crystal-white, of a taste delicious to those who drink (thereof), free from headiness; nor will they suffer intoxication therefrom., And besides them will be chaste women, restraining their glances, with big eyes (of wonder and beauty). As if they were (delicate) eggs closely guarded. (Qur'an: 37.040 - 37.049)

"We have created (their Companions) of special creation. And made them virgin - pure (and undefiled), Beloved (by nature), equal in age,"
(Qur'an: 056.035 - 056.037 )

Yes, these are actual verses in the Qur'an!

Regards,
:)
 

Pushrod

Patriot
Yes, luckystar, I have indeed read Three (3) Versions of the Qur'an, cover to cover: Pickthall, Yusuf Ali and Shakir as well as the Ahadith (collection of sayings of the Islamic prophet, Muhammad) that include Sahih Bukhari; Sahih Muslim, Sunan Abu Dawud, and Malik's Muwatta.

Yes, these are actual verses in the Qur'an!

Regards,
:)

Keep spreadin' the truth, it needs to be heard!
 

Bavarian

New Member
Two things: one, this calendar year is 2008 AD not CE. It means Year of Our Lord.
Not all are praying for a quick Second Comming. That is a protestant/heretic idea. Catholics pray that the End time Chastisement will be delayed and reduced. If the Pope would Consencrate RUSSIA to Mary's Immaculate Heart as foretold at Fatima, Ruusia will be converted and will no longer spread her errors in the World and a period of peace will be granted.
 

Starman3000m

New Member
Two things: one, this calendar year is 2008 AD not CE. It means Year of Our Lord.
Not all are praying for a quick Second Comming. That is a protestant/heretic idea. Catholics pray that the End time Chastisement will be delayed and reduced. If the Pope would Consencrate RUSSIA to Mary's Immaculate Heart as foretold at Fatima, Ruusia will be converted and will no longer spread her errors in the World and a period of peace will be granted.

Hmmm... I'd say Russia isn't the only country that needs to be converted. How about the Republic of Iran; Saudi Arabia; Communist China, North Korea, Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc.

All prayers are to be ended in "nevertheless, let Thy Will Be Done."
Thus, God will make things happen in His Perfect Timing - not a moment too soon nor a moment too late. Born-again "Protestants" are willing to allow God to do things His way and in His Time and although perils may lie ahead, they are prepared and assured of Salvation through their faith in Jesus as personal Lord and Saviour. There Is No Fear; just awareness of what's ahead:

But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
(John 14:26-28)

:)
 

Starman3000m

New Member
Wanna have a verse for verse test? :popcorn:

Sure, as long as the verses you want to use as examples are from the New Testament (New Covenant) teachings of Jesus and not the Orthodox Judaic teachings of the (Old Testament) Mosaic Laws.

The Qur'anic teachings are similar to Old Testament rulings and definitely not the New Covenant teachings of Jesus.

For example where Jesus says to put away the sword, love thy enemy, pray for those who speak all manner of evil against you, and those who blaspheme the Son shall be forgiven, Muhammad says "paradise is under the shades of swords, "strike terror in the hearts of non-Muslims, subjugate Jews and Christians to the jizyah tax and anyone who speaks a lie against Muhammad will be cursed.

So have at it: Post verses from Jesus' New Testament teachings. And remember the Old Testament religious leaders had Him crucified because he disagreed with their teachings of "an eye for an eye" and hate your enemy and stoning for adultry.

Have at it Nucklesack!

:)
 
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