2012: End of World, or New World Order?

[Starman3000m]

So when he stated:



he was being Peaceful?

If you were honest, you'd realize that there are like verses in both instruction books.
You may wish to ignore the Old Testament when its convenient, or causes issues with your case, but it is the foundation of your belief.

Your willing to reference the Old Testament when it suits your needs so any verse by verse comparison would logically come from both Books.

1.) Yes, Jesus was telling the Truth. The "sword" He referred to is God's Sword of Truth that divides truth from error and, sometimes the Truth hurts those who are offended by truth.

2.) When Jesus told His disciples to buy a sword, it was not meant to be used against another human - they were going into the wooded areas where a sword is handy to clear the paths. When Peter used the swrod to cut off a centurion's ear that had come to arrest Jesus, Jesus told Peter to put away the sword and then Jesus healed the ear of his arrestor.

3.) The Old Testament prophecies become relevent to the fulfillment of the coming of Messiah and world circumstances against the nation of Israel that are foretold would occur.

4.) The Atoning Blood of Jesus' crucifixion suffices to cover the sins of mankind, receiving of God's Forgiveness and Promise of eternal life. It was meant to be.

5.) Under Old Testament and Islamic requirements, animal sacrifices are still required for the shedding of their blood.

6.) Muslims deny that Jesus is the Divine Son of God and believe that they are commanded by Al'lah to behead and kill Jews and Christians and all non-Muslim and that it is their religious duty to do so.

7.) Jesus said that the time would come when His followers would be killed by others who believe they are "doing service for God."

8.) The teachings of Muhammad and Shari'a Laws are more in line with Old Testament Mosaic Laws and rulings of the Sanhedrin that were in place during the days of Jesus.

9.) Orthodox Judaism, Islam and all other non-Christian religions base their salvation on earning their way to heaven.

10.) The New Testament teaches that all men have sinned and fall short of the glory of God - and that through His Atoning Blood, Jesus Is The Way The Truth and The Life and no man can come unto God except through Him.

Therein is the great difference between the Old Covenant and New Covenant
and between Islamic denial of Jesus and Christian faith in Jesus as Lord and Saviour. Salvation is a Free Gift of God - not of works lest any man should boast.

What do you believe?

 

[Bavarian]

Hmmm... I'd say Russia isn't the only country that needs to be converted. How about the Republic of Iran; Saudi Arabia; Communist China, North Korea, Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc.

All prayers are to be ended in "nevertheless, let Thy Will Be Done."
Thus, God will make things happen in His Perfect Timing - not a moment too soon nor a moment too late. Born-again "Protestants" are willing to allow God to do things His way and in His Time and although perils may lie ahead, they are prepared and assured of Salvation through their faith in Jesus as personal Lord and Saviour. There Is No Fear; just awareness of what's ahead:

But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. (John 14:26-28)

FYI, the Truth: Angelqueen.org :: View topic - The Small Number of the Elect -- Bp. Challoner

 

[Mateo]

Somehow, I think humanity will muddle on regardless. We will all find a way to survive and go on.
Look what happened with the direness of the end of the millenium and into a new millenium as well as a century....nothing. Yet the doomsayers were predicting confusion, chaos and an end to technology. Well....the confusion and chaos will always be a part of us regardless of the eon...that is what makes us human. The end of technology ? This is a 50-50 proposition I enjoy technology as much as anyone else, but I like interaction with my fellow human beings even better.
Why not just let things go as they will. After all, look what happens when we try to play God.
Live long and prosper, my friends.

 

[Starman3000m]

Somehow, I think humanity will muddle on regardless. We will all find a way to survive and go on.
Look what happened with the direness of the end of the millenium and into a new millenium as well as a century....nothing. Yet the doomsayers were predicting confusion, chaos and an end to technology. Well....the confusion and chaos will always be a part of us regardless of the eon...that is what makes us human. The end of technology ? This is a 50-50 proposition I enjoy technology as much as anyone else, but I like interaction with my fellow human beings even better.
Why not just let things go as they will. After all, look what happens when we try to play God.
Live long and prosper, my friends.

Still need to heed the warnings:

2 Peter, Ch. 3 verses:

7: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
8: But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
9: The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
10: But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11: Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12: Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13: Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.


There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. (Romans 8:1)

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. (Ephesians 2:8-9)

 

[Mateo]

I realize and respect that you are a religious person. I believe that we need not alarm one another...there is enough in the world to do that. I would hope that as fellow Americans, we learn to help one another. We can and have the ability to make this world a heaven, but rather than sing "Kumbaya", we do it in actual works instead of wishing for a better world to come.
It is an imperfect world, but we don't have to make it even more so.

 

[Starman3000m]

I realize and respect that you are a religious person. I believe that we need not alarm one another...there is enough in the world to do that. I would hope that as fellow Americans, we learn to help one another. We can and have the ability to make this world a heaven, but rather than sing "Kumbaya", we do it in actual works instead of wishing for a better world to come.
It is an imperfect world, but we don't have to make it even more so.

Thanks Mateo, I appreciate your comments. Yes, indeed, we live in an imperfect world and we see the good and evil, justice and injustice, love and hate exemplified in many ways. If we had our way, it would be a perfect world but the reality is that it isn't.

I do not mean to alarm anyone with doom and gloom for there are many people in the world that are causing that already. What I heed are the given warnings that such things would and will happen - because it is an imperfect world. In this way, our hearts are prepared with confidence and strength to get through the rough times whether they come upon us or upon loved ones.

Yes, I have God as my source of strength through faith in His Son, Jesus Christ of Nazareth. This has changed my life and through His Divine Intervention my marriage was saved during a time of troubles. That is the way God works and it is He that gives us the hope of a better more perfect world that will eventually come to pass. That's Good News!

 

[PsyOps]

Yes, indeed, we live in an imperfect world...

Because the world doesn't conform to some human definition of perfect makes it imperfect? I think God would be rather unhappy to know his creation is imperfect.

 

[Starman3000m]

Because the world doesn't conform to some human definition of perfect makes it imperfect? I think God would be rather unhappy to know his creation is imperfect.

C'mon PsyOps! Free will caused Adam and Eve to bring God's curse upon what had been a "perfect environment" in the Garden of Eden. Through this free-will, they both chose to ignore God's warning that eating from a certain tree would bring death but the tree of Life would give eternal life.
They chose to eat of the tree that God warned them not to eat from.

Since then, mankind has had problems with being rebellious against authority and has fallen subject to flawed emotions that bring death of the soul such as hatred, envy, jealousies, contempts, prejudice, malice, and just downright nasty!

God offers a better and more perfect life in the hereafter where there will be True Peace and True Perfection. No more pain, no sorrow and no more wars. That is the message that Jesus taught yet not many people listened as they do not listen today.

The offer is still available by seeking the Kingdom of God through faith in the Atoning Blood of His Son, Jesus of Nazareth.

I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live: (Deuteronomy 30:19)

And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart. (Jeremiah 29:13)

 

[Kain99]

I personally believe the world will end in 2012... I watch way to much Discovery channel.

It is what it is. Why risk it on a bad bet?

Get your affairs in order just in case.

 

[Bavarian]

Why bother getting affairs in order in this World, the common meaning of the term. If the World ends, no physical items survive either.

 

[Starman3000m]

Why bother getting affairs in order in this World, the common meaning of the term. If the World ends, no physical items survive either.

I think the intended meaning is to get your spiritual relationship in order and right with God in the here and now.

 

[lewis7lewis]

What a coicidence. It happens to be the same year that BO will run for his reelection. He will have all of his plans fully in place by then.

No real reply your just an IDIOT.

 

[PsyOps]

No real reply your just an IDIOT.

Oh how very intelligent of you. I guess I have to spelled my out for some people.

 

[2ndAmendment]

No one is promised tomorrow. We all should live like Jesus will return in the next moment.

 

[lewis7lewis]

Lies and more lies

What a coicidence. It happens to be the same year that BO will run for his reelection. He will have all of his plans fully in place by then.

Hitler once said the bigger the lie the more people will believe it! You sound
like you will believe anything no matter how outrageous.

 

[PsyOps]

Hitler once said the bigger the lie the more people will believe it! You sound
like you will believe anything no matter how outrageous.

First of all, why do you feel it's necessary to post 2 replies to the same post of mine?

Secondly, please go back top post #35 where I clarified for you that I was being S-A-R-C-A-S-T-I-C.

 

[hotcoffee]

I personally believe the world will end in 2012... I watch way to much Discovery channel.

It is what it is. Why risk it on a bad bet?

Get your affairs in order just in case.

Didn't Paul think that Jesus would return during his lifetime?

No one is promised tomorrow. We all should live like Jesus will return in the next moment.

Well said ... we may not make it to this evening let alone 2012 or 2013...

So it really doesn't matter....

I'm looking forward to seeing my place in Heaven... I know it beats earth hands down...